The Good Banter Thread

[Event Horizon]

I find it is very easy to say a quick “NO” to this topic, however it is very difficult to stick to it during a debate, especially with a drink in my hand. I think I want to say no because I have teenage kids, but they are who they are, they are not who I was as a kid (did I just incriminate myself? Well don’t hold it against me as I will just say I did not inhale). I have started to think they should just get on with it, tax the hell out of it, and fight the real drug problems.

 

[sissy]

well I say no also we have enough problems with drunk drivers killing people and next it will be drug drivers killing people .I don't want them killing one of my family members and how would you feel if they killed one of your family members .Less and less cops on the road to stop them because of cut backs and who go rescue workers and police .Yet we raise welfare for the people to lazy to work that want to sit home do drugs ,drink and talk on 400 dollar cell phones and sell drugs and live off welfare while they make babies all over .I 'm with lou on that one ,never did drugs never would.my opinion and maybe not every ones and that's all I have to say . :razz:

 

[Event Horizon]

I hear you Sissy, and I am not about to start the debate on the other side.

I am just saying I have lost this debate several times, to the point it has made me think about it. My wife is with the Police and I do work within the Fire Service, I understand the hazards First Responders are currently facing. Booby trapped grow houses are a big problem for our Firefighters. If it was grown and sold by the government, there would be less grow houses out there, and less punks selling it on the street. I have never been approached by someone trying to sell me home made booze on the street.

I presume it would be heavily taxed, I presume there would be an age limit to buy it, I also presume it would have less chemicals and god knows what is put in with it by the punks on the streets.

I don’t like it, I don’t like the idea of it, but I think the day will come.

 

[sissy]

Here they sell home made booze too so I get both ends of the deal and being that hwy. 58 is a way to get from Florida up to Hwy .29 to go to NY and here the drug planes fly over all the time looking for pot fields and one of the biggest pot fields was found here in Axton .I have several nieces and nephews that are first responders here in VA and also in PA and NJ and it is not easy to hear what they see everyday ..Young people have no fear because there parents taught them to heck with every one else and do you as the put it .They do drugs and get strong out and my poor nephew just 2 weeks ago went to an accident and the guy was high and was beating up the responders trying to help.My nephew is no light weight either at 200 lbs and 6feet 4 inches tall and he had a black eye and lots of bruises .One of the responders got his arm broke by the guy .Mind you there are 6 other people in the car and 3 of them died at the scene and 1 died a couple of days later .Rate of speed must have been high as there was nothing left of the car they had stolen and bodies every where .Sad thing when young people are neglected by there parents .There should be a license that you get to have children .You can't pass oh well .Thing is it will not stop illegal drugs ,people who can't afford to buy it will still be getting it home made and home grown .It will just add to the problem as people have no respect for there body or any one elses body .

 

[Event Horizon]

People need to spend more time raising their children. Too many children do not have any empathy. They say you are not born with empathy. You develop it, you are taught it by your parents basically in the first 5 years. These punks running around our Cities and Towns shooting people have no empathy. We seem to have a generation of kids that don’t give a crap about anyone or anything but themselves.

Hats off to all of our first responders be it Police, Fire or EMS. They do a very tough job, with little credit.

Did you know in the US over 70% of the Fire Service is Volunteer, over 80% up here in Canada.

 

[Big Lou]

Hey Lou... you posted a simple "NO"... can you give one good reason why?

Respectfully koiguy I do not want to debate this subject. There are probably a zillion reasons for and a zillion reasons against. Just as it is in a voting booth it simply comes down to yes or no. Thanks for asking.

 

[koiguy1969]

my interest in legalization is mostly a medicinal / nutritional one. i have no interest in recreational use.
https://www.gardenpondforum.com/topic/8397-rick-simpsons-hemp-oil-story/
do your research...read this thread, just to start. and see if you might learn something you didnt know , maybe have a more educated opinion? i'm not saying its gonna change but...

 

[capewind]

Violence may come from those PROFITING on weed, but weed will NOT make a person violent. It gets old hearing how weed makes people do this or that. I really have to laugh when people says it does more than it does. I end up defending the WEED, and I dont even smoke it LOL. Did my thing with it as a kid, but hell, all it did for me was make me hungry and then sleepy ... tried it again later in life, and while it DID help with PAIN, all I got, aside from tired, was a killer headache. IF it ADDED energy, I would probably smoke it now LOL. I was no saint as a teen, more so a parents nightmare LOL... By 16 I could put away a 5th of Bacardi a night, with a 12 pack of Buds as a chaser (at 16, I weighed all of 108 lbs) ... cocaine, tried that too, and was just wired as if I drank a whole pot of coffee, so saw that as a waste of money... Acid on the other hand, oh how I loved to trip LOL. It would be an understatement to say I stayed out of trouble ... we can summerize that I ended up with a fantastic probation officer (and 4 consecutive suspended sentences). I wasnt an addict, but I loved to party LOL ... The population here has a severe substance abuse issue. Pick your poison ... booze, perscription drugs, heroin ... it's all front and center, no matter where you go here, or what age group. March 19th, our daughters EX boyfriend died from a HOT (as in tampered with) batch of herion, He became an EX when he started shooting up (Percocets weren't cutting it anymore - but hey, it's legal), and would become violent both high, and when he was going through withdrawals ... daughter thought she could help him get clean, so stayed with him ... til the night he broke her nose (Aug 29th) ... As of Tuesday, we have another "child" living with us. He is 21 years old, and has been friends with our kids for the last 7-8 years now. He too has been around the block ... first boose, then percocets (a true gateway drug - but hey, it's legal - feeling like a broken record) then onto herion, and is now only smoking weed. I just asked him "since I am getting old" if he has EVER seen anyone become violent because of weed ... NOPE, NEVER ... The fact that someone may be HIGH is a subjective term. Of these HIGH people, I would love to read the results of their toxicology reports, or in some cases, their autopsy reports. Weed simply does NOT raise ones adreniline. Chemically impossible. Now if someone truly believes weed to be BAD, well, I hope you are pushing to make cigarettes and all forms of booze illegal too, as both of these are more harmful to the abuser AND those around them. The only valid aarguement is the crime relating to the PROFIT of weed, and in that case, I suggest some revisit some history books, especially the era of prohibition. I say make it legal, and tax the shit out of it, and we will all see the WEED RELATED CRIMES REDUCED. This isnt rocket science. In the interm, doctors can keep PUSHING those perc 30s on folks who dont even NEED them. I *AM* one of those folks. I fight with my doctor on a regular basis. He says take "30 mg oxicodone every 4-6 hours as needed for pain" ... He tells me it is okay for me to take 900 mgs per MONTH (30, 30 mg pills per month is what he says I need) ... and then gets pissed off at me that I refuse to take them ... I say GIVE ME 5 mg (the smallest dose), as I only NEED or WANT 2.5 mg's (HALF a pill) a few times per month to control extreme pain. He REFUSES to give me a lower dose, so about every TWO YEARS, I go see a different doctor, who will give me 30, 5 mg tablets instead (bottle right here and was last filled Aug 2011). Hmmm... Do the math ... normal doctor says 900 mg per month (OVER 10,000 mg per year), and I only NEED about 100 mg PER YEAR OR LESS. Maybe folks should show more outrage on this subject. Again, Percs are a stepping stone to drugs like herion!!! Plenty of outrage when another life is lost to herion, but nothing said for the LEGAL drug that most were on BEFORE the herion.

 

[koiguy1969]

capewind..actually sativa strains can energize you.. its the indica strains that are sedative in nature
gateway drug? its shown over and over again to be more a gateway to good health. and actually has been shown to be effective in the treatment of opiates addiction.
there has not been found, one single documented case of death ever in history from marijuana overdose!
alcahol, cigarettes, and precription drugs claim millions and millions of lives annually. yet theyre accepted as mainstream.
cannabis is illegal due to misinformation, government false proganda ,and greed in the big pharma world. hemp was a government mandated crop until the '30s. and in every medicine chest and doctors office, until big pharma couldnt patent, and make money on a medicine people could grow and process themselves.

 

[Event Horizon]

Koyguy do they need the THC in the plant to pull out the good stuff you are talking about? (I don’t have time now to read the thread you posted, but I will later). I know up here in Canada it is used with THC for medicinal purposes with a Doctor’s note. I also know there are all kinds of “Hemp” products out there. I thought it was legal to grow Hemp without THC already?

 

[koiguy1969]

in canada yes... here in the staes no we have limited growing and use medicinally in some staes but federally its still illegal. i have attended medical marijuana benefits. heard the stories of people sent home to die from conventional medicine, who cured their cancers. cured diabetes, stopped seizures including grand mal seizures...going from several everyday to not having one in months or years. RICK SIMPSON is from Canada, you may be already familiar with his story.
commercial hemp is not of much medicinal use...but its one of the most nutritious plants you can eat.

 

[Event Horizon]

I need to read your thread as I am not that familiar with this topic or Rick Simpson.

I have attended large Canadian health food trade shows, and the amount of Hemp products is staggering. Everything from cereal, tea, hand cream, oils, and clothing. Again all of these products are grown without the THC in it. Hemp is a very versatile plant and grows well. It would really help all the tobacco farmers that are going out of business.

Marijuana has been used up here for medicinal purposes for a good while, again under Doctor supervision.

Just a couple of years ago they decriminalized Marijuana. I know because my step daughter is in the US that the American press took it that we legalized it. There is a difference. Basically now if a kid is caught walking down the street with a joint or two (or whatever the limit is) he/she will get a ticket instead of being charged criminally and clogging up the courts and legal system for a charge that would likely be dropped. If you have too much, or are selling, or growing etc. You are busted as always.

 

[addy1]

We made the decision to remove our grandchild...................baby of charlie, living under our garage. It did not eat that many plants, but started to favor some new ones that I had to keep wire over,

I was able to walk to within 5 feet of the lil guy









so.......... A fresh cut apple, hungry ground hog from sleeping all winter............a have a heart trap..........the best time of year to relocate the lil guy. It took no time at all and the lil one was in the trap.



My honey caught the last shot of him running down the ravine ears down booking.................

 

[Big Lou]

i have attended medical marijuana benefits. heard the stories of people sent home to die from conventional medicine, who cured their cancers. cured diabetes, stopped seizures including grand mal seizures...going from several everyday to not having one in months or years..

Now I am forced to jump into this conversation! Your assertion that pot "....cured their cancers. cured diabetes, stopped seizures including grand mal seizures...going from several everyday to not having one in months or years.." is outlandish bullshit! As a person with Eplipecy my meds keep my seizures well under control. My mother, sister, brother and two aunts have died from cancer. How dare you claim pot is the cure for cancer! I am both insulted and infuriated. Don't you think that if pot was such a medicinal miracle the entire worlds medical community would be curing EVERYONE!

Sir, you have just lost all credibility.

 

[callingcolleen1]

I really really hate drugs, nobody hates drugs more then me! pharmaceutical drugs kill more people than anything else in the whole wide world, yes I hate drugs!!! Number one drug on the street, that KILLs the most people, is pharmaceutical drugs! That is right, pharmaceutical drugs like oxycodine, they are the most addictive drug ever known to man! That is 100 percent correct! People kill people for pharmaceutical drugs, they steal and rob their own parents for pharmaceutical drugs, that are 100% chemical based!

Nobody here kills for marijuana, never ever heard if it. Nobody ever died of an accidental overdose of marijuana. COFFEE is much much more addictive then marijuana!! I have to have my coffee first thing, I don't get up and go outside and smoke a joint first, never happens. Just look at all the coffee addicts, must be really bad, you should see the lineups at Tim Hortons! They should make coffee illegal! Just look at all the coffee addicts, they are pushing and shoving their way through the line get the cup of tim Hortons coffee! Don't even deny it Event Horizon, you live in Canada, you must have seen the "Timmy Addicts! ha Ha Ha Ha!!!

I love pot, been smoking it since I was sixteen. Never did it ever lead to hard drugs, big lie! Alcohol leads too hard drugs, Alcohol makes you so stupid you forget what you are doing! Alcohol destroys family's. Never met a family destroyed by smoking pot!
Tobacco is a bad drug, perfectly legal bad drug, my hubby could never quit the chew, till it almost killed him! I know lots of people that have died or have had cancer from smoking the all legal tobacco! Funny thing is my hubby hate pots, because he NEVER has EVER smoked it. They would have given medical marijuana but because people have been brainwashed they think it is bad! SO my poor hubby choose to take the horrid morphine instead! He has since quit cause morohine is an hallucinogenic drug, and that was way WAY too much for him, thank GOD!! Never in my whole life have any of my pot smoking friends ever died of smoking pot! Smoking pot does not make you stupid either, the opposite is true, it helps me concentrate, get the job done, and helps with all kinds of medicial needs. POT is NOT a drug, is is a herb and it have medicial value! People who think it is bad have not smoked it before, or have not smoked it in a long long time and have forgot what it was like, or have found real BAD pharmaceutical drugs!

Going to have my very addictive coffee now ......