sissys pond

My pond summer and winter and plants in my filters

sissy

sissy
Joined
Jan 17, 2011
Messages
33,086
Reaction score
15,707
Location
Axton virginia
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
7A
Country
United States
When I saw the video it really made me rethink about the help we give people on here about possible leaks .I guess it is 1 more thing we have to tell them to look for
 

sissy

sissy
Joined
Jan 17, 2011
Messages
33,086
Reaction score
15,707
Location
Axton virginia
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
7A
Country
United States
swing closer to done just needs leveled and my sister brought me this tree
 

Attachments

  • swing 001.JPG
    swing 001.JPG
    220.7 KB · Views: 225
  • new tree and living waterscapes 003.JPG
    new tree and living waterscapes 003.JPG
    162.8 KB · Views: 161

j.w

I Love my Goldies
Joined
Feb 1, 2010
Messages
33,903
Reaction score
20,874
Location
Arlington, Washington
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
USDA 8a
Country
United States
That swing would fit nicely on my front porch :)

Love the coloring of that tree. Looks like fire!
 

sissy

sissy
Joined
Jan 17, 2011
Messages
33,086
Reaction score
15,707
Location
Axton virginia
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
7A
Country
United States
I wish I was closer because I would build you one just to see your joy from it
 

j.w

I Love my Goldies
Joined
Feb 1, 2010
Messages
33,903
Reaction score
20,874
Location
Arlington, Washington
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
USDA 8a
Country
United States
That would be great! Would be fun if we here were all neighbors sharing all our skills, plants and helping each other out w/our ponds :)
Lets all move to Virginia. Housing is cheap there.
 

sissy

sissy
Joined
Jan 17, 2011
Messages
33,086
Reaction score
15,707
Location
Axton virginia
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
7A
Country
United States
Wow just heard they are going to open a pond store in Danville .They are going to change a old plumbing supply building into there store and showroom .They applied for an application for variance change
 

callingcolleen1

mad hatter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
9,432
Reaction score
8,128
Location
Medicine Hat Alberta, Canada (zone 2/3)
Hardiness Zone
4a
Country
Canada
t
I never thought about that either sissy. We don't lose too much here as the pond never gets too warm and the air doesn't get too cold but still I bet it happens some. Hey I wonder if @callingcolleen1 's ponds are smaller in the top pond and then bigger to the two others? Maybe hers is hooked up different tho as they are pretty much separate ponds and only a tube of water pumps water to the other ones.


Good Grief I just typed for the last half hour and lost everything! where did it go?

OK here I go again!

When it comes to running ponds with many levels, I have of knowledge as I have been doing this for the last 25 years, and before I had the three big connecting ponds, I had five little connecting ponds. Now I am back to four big connecting ponds.
It should be noted that my very first connecting ponds, the bottom pond had a very small surface area that I was constantly topping up. It was so bad that If I was gone for a couple days camping with hubby, I would just leave the garden hose to very slowly drip in cause that is how dramatic the loss appeared. When in reality, the bottom pond surface area was about 40 percent smaller than the four upper ponds and that little pond was keeping four larger ponds topped up to maximum all the time. The ponds I currently have, the bottom pond surface area is as large as. or bigger than the upper level ponds.

I control the flow rates to each pond. If the power goes out I will lose some water out of the bottom overflow, and when the pumps start back up, the bottom pond will be down a few inches. That is why I have only the smallest fish in the bottom pond. I never would recommend putting the largest koi in the bottom pond like he does, cause the biggest koi need the freshest cleanest water cause they require the most oxygen. Bottom ponds tend to get lots of waste and the quality is not as good as the upper level ponds. It is really best to just have smaller fish in the bottom pond, trust me, been there done that for the last 25 years. The top pond also has no pump pumping water out, only a big pump pumping water in, and with no bottom drain, very little can go wrong. Water cannot be accidently pumped out, or dumped out threw drain.

Then the new upper pond has way more water volume, but the surface area is actually little bit smaller than the bottom pond. Depth does not effect the levels when the pumps are shut down, only surface area really counts. When the pumps are running at full speed, the second level pond holds an extra 1 inch of water, the third upper level has two pumps going into that pond, and holds an extra 1.5 inches of water, but the big pump going to the fourth upper level pond holds an extra two inches of water. So in total the water that would run off into bottom pond would raise the bottom pond by a maximum of about five inches. I can spare five inches of surface water in bottom pond should pumps go off in storm or something. At least the biggest fish will not be flopping around in a shallow bottom pond cause they will not suffer in the new upper level ponds. The upper ponds should not have a surface area any larger than the surface area of the bottom pond. Depth does not count, only surface area.

Then he talks about small fish going down into the bottom pond. Yes that does happen and I thought of that a long long time ago. That is why the biggest koi are in the top pond, and I have a water gate that only allows small fish to slip down to bottom pond. This way the upper two levels are just for koi, and no way can goldfish mix in that way.

Evaporation is greatest in the winter! When temps are very cold, like minus 40 below and water is barely above freezing, that is a big temperature difference and you get the "pot of boiling water on the stove effect!" Lots of water will be lost as stream rises from the open pockets of water. That is why I am careful not to over heat the pond and unplug the heater so I will get more ice coverage and less evaporation. Then lets not forget about water displacement in winter, as water from the bottom pond is turned into thick ice on upper level ponds. That is why I am always checking the water level in bottom pond when it is really cold outside,

Evaporation is also lost as the massive yellow flag water iris grows very tall. That big massive plant may be sitting in water but it drinks a lot when it is six feet tall and summer is hot! Hot windy days also cause more evaporation.

I do not have any splashy waterfall, only clean water drops that suffer much less evaporation than a waterfall. I use large spinning balls to get maximum circulation and oxygenation with minimal evaporation.

That guy is good, he is a pretty smart guy but all I have had is connecting ponds so I have lots of first hand knowledge after 25 years of running connecting ponds, and no way would I put my biggest koi in bottom pond unless the bottom pond was super big compared to upper levels. I find that the upper levels are super clean and fresh, and ideally the water should flow down to a marshy area that would be ideal for small fish. The marshy area (big yellow flag) cleans and collects lots waste from the water before it drops to final bottom pond.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jun 11, 2012
Messages
7,046
Reaction score
7,241
Location
Water Valley, Alberta
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
2a
Country
Canada
I never really thought of this type of evaporation

I've never watched a Pond Digger video before. I think it's great when professionals produce a video that is informative, not just advertising. I'll look the business up if they're trying to be helpful, not just promoting themselves.

I think that he missed a critical component of evaporation, though. Humidity levels.
If you live in an area that has constant high humidity, like Florida, evaporation is not going to be a concern. If you live in an area like Colleen or myself, or Arizona, evaporation is a much bigger factor.
 
Joined
Oct 28, 2013
Messages
13,405
Reaction score
13,839
Location
Northern IL
Showcase(s):
1
Evaporation can be a much bigger cause of water level loss than we ever realized. On a really hot day our waterfall rocks get steaming hot - the water level is definitely affected by that, as well as the splashing off the rocks creating a mist that you can feel if you are standing close to the falls. Think Niagara Falls but on a MUCH smaller scale.

We panicked much of the first summer with our pond and then realized that water loss that varies from one day to the next is probably not a leak, but more likely due to evaporation. We kept a photographic record from one day to the next (memory can be a funny thing - pictures don't lie) until we were convinced that the loss was greater on some days than others, due mainly to increased heat, or variable humidity. And as the plants get bigger, they also can affect your water level - they take up lots of water in their roots which gets put back into the atmosphere... not the pond!

And cold weather, dry weather has just as much affect on the water level as the hot days of summer. The things you learn when you observe your pond are quite amazing! The trick is to learn patience and to observe over a period of time and not jump to conclusions and try to "fix" all the things that appear to be a problem.

The Pond Digger is great - his videos are short and concise, but filled with good information. And I love that he answers questions from real pond people. Every video has something interest to me. Plus he is a big @sissy Murphy fan!
 

sissy

sissy
Joined
Jan 17, 2011
Messages
33,086
Reaction score
15,707
Location
Axton virginia
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
7A
Country
United States
OK all you lawnmower men out there I have a question and even posted a video to you tube .I found this spring while mowing and was back and forth with both mowers .I can't find a heavy duty spring like this on either mower and I know the neighbors had a trampoline that a child got injured on after it rotted and i am wondering if it could be a trampoline spring that one of the children threw over here .They do not speak to me and I do not bother with them ,so can't ask .I have a cub cadet LTX 1042 hydrostatic 22 HP and a troy built pony .
 

Attachments

  • spring 003.JPG
    spring 003.JPG
    100.1 KB · Views: 198
  • spring 005.JPG
    spring 005.JPG
    79.3 KB · Views: 160

sissy

sissy
Joined
Jan 17, 2011
Messages
33,086
Reaction score
15,707
Location
Axton virginia
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
7A
Country
United States
There trampoline was in the back yard and this spring was in my front yard so I suspect there kids must have thrown it over here I am glad I did not hit it with the mower and that it is not from my mowers
 

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments. After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.

Ask a Question

Members online

No members online now.

Forum statistics

Threads
31,560
Messages
518,894
Members
13,809
Latest member
EvelynW71

Latest Threads

Top