George Zimmerman Trial

[CdnJCR]

Yep, that's what I have heard, but it was not about money gained.

It was about setting the bail price for Zimmerman and the prosecution said the Zim family was worth X money and George's wife, Shellied, denied the prosecutions claim although there was a significant amount of money in the bank. This denial by the wife is bring perjury charges on her. There is quite likely going to be a debate about whether this money in the bank was reserved as a retainer to pay for the lawyers, including moneys earned from charity, or if it was moneys that actually reflected their standard of living or income.

So when they were being questioned about assets liquid or otherwise that was available to them this was not mentioned as they may have intended to reserve it for retainers really? I see that reasonable doubt as to intentions or suitable explanations can be brought into everything as justification after the fact. Not sure about the USA but usually cash is something you might want to mention to a judge when deciding bail amounts or if you should be out in bail.

 

[crsublette]

So when they were being questioned about assets liquid or otherwise that was available to them this was not mentioned as they may have intended to reserve it for retainers really? I see that reasonable doubt as to intentions or suitable explanations can be brought into everything as justification after the fact. Not sure about the USA but usually cash is something you might want to mention to a judge when deciding bail amounts or if you should be out in bail.

Yep, really... and as you said, it can be seen with a reasonable doubt.

I would have answered that there actually was X amount of moneys in the bank and how it was accumulated to be reserved.

 

[HTH]

As much as I hate wasting public funds I would really like to seem some people charged with prosecutorial misconduct or whatever the correct charge would be. With the aim that the people who pushed good people out of the way to get this into court. I would like to see the same zeal used against them as they did to get Zimmerman tried.

But I doubt it could ever happen. It would be cannibalism.

 

[crsublette]

This is just typical "after trial" brou·ha·ha, but sure, if it is determined to be viewed as perjury with intent rather than innocent misrecollection, then the wife should accept the responsibility. All trials in result of perjury are not clear cut since they can be quite muddy as well.

 

[crsublette]

As much as I hate wasting public funds I would really like to seem some people charged with prosecutorial misconduct or whatever the correct charge would be. With the aim that the people who pushed good people out of the way to get this into court. I would like to see the same zeal used against them as they did to get Zimmerman tried.

But I doubt it could ever happen. It would be cannibalism.

Yep, and if it turns out that if the special prosecution is not disbarred nor sanctioned, then the same evidence, that brought these charges against the special prosecutor, can be used by Zim familly to bring a proper legal recourse to bring a case to sue the state due to an overzealous prosecutor.

 

[waynefrcan]

Overzealous State Attorny, did you guys watch that cow after the verdict. Now who will investigate her wrong doings?

 

[waynefrcan]

Now they look like fools, they should have waited for the verdict. Maybe they can sue to get the money back? lol.

I am surprised the Home Owner Association paid anything. I bet it was a settlement so it would not be taken to court, which seems what folk do nowadays.

 

[waynefrcan]

Fishy your post just made me realize why you guys are the wrong crowd to talk about gun control issues etc. Because guns = outdoors, and outdoors includes pond lovers. And that's why you also believe in the ghetto crowd shooting each other. Most of you live in rural areas. I do still think you don't want innocent ghetto children dying in the gun battles and drivebys. Unless you think they will grow up to become violent themselves?

I will have to find a forum like a church group to talk about your gun problems....not! I don't have the time.

You know, I didn't believe in guns, before I met my husband now. But our ten years of marriage and 6 kids ( not all mine BTW lol), 4 of which are avid hunters. All but one; my 13 yr old girl owns ther own gun or multiple guns ( rifle, shotgun, muzzleloader, etc..). Kids who are taught, the correct safety to handle guns, are taught to hunt, know what it's like to take a life; have a respect for wildlife, life in general and how permenant dead is. And in MHO, would be less likely to make stupid mistake, if introduced guns at an early age; now I'm not talking baby here, but my 6 almost 7 yr old went deer hunting for the first time this year and got his first be bee gun for Christmas this last year. When our kids are young and they take a life, weather it's a deer, squirrel, rabbit or whatever, they take part in every aspect of the kill; if they shoot it, they take part in cleaning it. It's all about responsibility and teaching safety that keeps guns in the right hands and kids out of trouble.

 

[waynefrcan]

The black nuts are at it again.

"Rev. Al Sharpton said Monday that his organization will hold vigils and rallies in 100 cities Saturday in front of federal buildings"

 

[crsublette]

Fishylove and Capewind are simply talking about properly educating kids. Wayne, I would hope you would be for educating kids about proper usage of any weapon.


I'm not going to address the straw man arguments since they are adversial without impartial judgement and this always deteriorates the debate, which I hope folk do not want to accomplish here.

 

[crsublette]

The black nuts are at it again.

"Rev. Al Sharpton said Monday that his organization will hold vigils and rallies in 100 cities Saturday in front of federal buildings"

Not just the race baiters. It is also the white guilt folk.

I'm fine with them holding memorials and vigils for the young man. I just wish they were honest about it such as using this incident to help the troubled youth rather than fueling a fire to make them more angry.

Trayvon was a young man. Anything between 16~ early 20s then I would definitely consider to be a young man. The idea that young men are weak and fragile drives me crazy. When I was about to turn 18, I was 6'2", weighed 190lbs, benchpress 280 pounds and played on the highschool varsity football team; even then, I could easily toss weight and inflict more damage on someone than many 40 year old adults and most definitely more than what GZ looks capable of doing. This attempt to portray him as a kid like he was some 4 year old or 12 year old child drives me crazy. The attempts to infantalize him, rather than looking at his history, drives me crazy.

 

[crsublette]

Jury member revealed and going to write a book involving how the members came to their decision.

I am not suprised, but I would have waited longer, after all these events calmed down, till removing anonymity.

 

[HTH]

I am sure the publisher wants to strike while the iron is hot to max out the profit.

 

[Fishylove]

Fishy your post just made me realize why you guys are the wrong crowd to talk about gun control issues etc. Because guns = outdoors, and outdoors includes pond lovers. And that's why you also believe in the ghetto crowd shooting each other. Most of you live in rural areas. I do still think you don't want innocent ghetto children dying in the gun battles and drivebys. Unless you think they will grow up to become violent themselves?

I will have to find a forum like a church group to talk about your gun problems....not! I don't have the time.

This is where I differ from most, even as to my husbands opinion. I think its a tragedy innocent people are put in the line of fire, and even the thugs themselves, as far as "ghetto battles" go. We have to think too( and not to excuse their behavior) this is absolutely learned behavior. When a child grows up with violence, violence is all they know, and as such, it is all they know to pass on to their children. It's a vicious cycle that is badly in need of being broken. But what is the answer? How do we stop it? I personally don't think it's a gun problem, it's a violence problem, and its not going to be rectified by taking away all guns from everyone.
Some of the strictest gun laws are in Illinois. And correct me if Im wrong, because I'm still learning all the state laws, even though I do have a permit to conceal, I can not carry in The state of Illinois, the gun must be put in the trunk and the amo be in a separate place if I'm pulled over.
Take Chicago,and for lack of a better phrase, Chicago has gone to shit! I have a friend whos son moved up there to go to collage, and within the first week he was mugged! And he is supposed to live in a "good" part of town, his parents bought him a condo to live in so he wouldn't have to rent an apartment. So.. It's not just "the Ghetto" where we find violence, it's everywhere. Unfortunately we are more and more, living in a Godless society.
As I said, my kids know how to handle guns, and as a result have a respect for them and the power they have. "Learned Behavior"
Just sayin'

 

[waynefrcan]

Good ok fishy.

Charles, I was just getting at the fact that my concerns over the 300,000,000 guns in the US and all your gun related deaths are falling on deaf ears at this forum.

I am very disappointed in some of you that expessed the fact that the ghetto thugs can kill each other. We all know that means innocent ghetto children taking bullets. Keep your guns but please have some concern for other humans. Which reminds me I think the Mods should remove those posts. This is a world wide forum, and such comments should be best kept private. Or maybe it's time to just delete this topic.