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koiguy1969

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the cages on Laguna pumps are removable and then you can hook up an inlet hose... the pumps themselves are pretty much like any pump. just put in the cage. this isnt neccessary unless you plan on plumbing a prefilter in the setup.
 

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What is a prefilter and do I need one? Put the pump in a cage? Is that to protect future fish?
 

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your pump...is it in a casing with holes all around? thats the cage...that cage is removable. with the cage removed you will find the inlet.(where the water is pulled in) you can run the pump just the way it is...no problem. a prefilter is a mechanical filter that the water is pulled thru before the pump. this catches and holds solids so they dont clog your pump or get pumped into your biofilter. its by no means a necessity. just allows the biofilter to stay cleaner and therfore more efficient. i use prefiltering. the cage around the pump is a prefilter of sorts, just for bigger debris.
 
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PL, I think the "cage" is to keep large stuff out of the pump impellers, to help keep it from clogging. You will realize how much good it does when your water flow slows greatly. You'll pull your pump (make sure you can pull your pump out easily) and find that the "cage" is clogged up with roots and leaves, and anything else too large to fit through. Clean it off, and voila, pump is good as new. Sometimes you need to take the cage off, spray off the inside and then go again. So, the cage KoiGuy is referring to is the one that you took off to look at your pump and found the other "inlet" to the pump. If you leave the cage on (to keep out leaves, etc.) then the water will flow into and through the pump through the cage. IF you want a pre-filter (no, you don't have to have one, I don't) you can take off the cage, set up some type of filter that will take the water through it first, before it goes through the pump, and you won'd need the cage. Oops, Mark has posted before me, so this may be a repeat. :)
 

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It's nothing short of amazing all of the great help I've received from all of you during my build. This forum is fabulous. The pump also came with a smaller cage to cover just the inlet hose. Oh the things I have learned. :razz:
 
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PL, I knew exactly what you were talking about, because when I pulled my pump, I planned to zip tie it to a milk crate, keep it off the bottom, and sink it to be my "bubbler" to keep water open. Well, I didn't have a crate, and I made mistake of leaving pump on my deck. Got crate, zip tied it, sunk pump, no working. :-( Pulled it out, checked pump, would not run. (Turned out it had a chunk of ice wedged in the impeller, but I didn't realize that yet.) Had to cut zip ties, take pump apart, needed phillips screw driver .... Decided to get out new extra pump, pond was icing over fast as I worked that evening, but the new pump had the full cage around the whole pump, like you're talking about. It also had the smaller cage to use on the inlet if using in a skimmer or smaller area. So, I knew what you were looking at and why you were confused. I was the SAME WAY before I had pump in and running and seeing how things work. I'm one that I need to see it work! There are tons of videos other ponders have posted on this forum to let you SEE how things work from the beginning to the end, besides all the wonderful pics that people post. This forum has built my pond! Glad you were able to figure things out. I was surprised at how closely KoiGuy described it to what I said. And, knowing how much KoiGuy has helped me along the way, along with many others, it made me feel really good.
In the end, I waited long enough and got the phillips screwdriver from the barn, took apart the original pump, found the ice chunk, voila, pump worked! The new pump was going to be harder to zip tie like I wanted to, so procrastinating and trying out the new pump made me realize slow down, fix what you have and go from there, which is what ended up working out. Pumps are easy to take apart and clean out. Don't assume they are junk when they quit working or slow water pressure, they just need to be cleaned out.
 
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And, the best part, PL, is that you keep learning every day! I'm by no means a pro, and would never say I am, but I enjoy trying to help, but always know that there will be those with far more experience to correct me should I answer something incorrectly. Having had only 1 year experience and one pond, it helps me immensely to help others with the simple things. I know that what you are thinking is going on with your pond is not simple right now, but by this time next year, you will understand everything much better, and realize how simple some of the questions are. I re-read some of my post and some of the questions I asked seem now to be extra simple, but I was back then as you are now ... green, and needing guidance through the smallest of procedures. It will come easier as it goes, trust me! And, we are definitely all pulling for your and here to help in any way.
The people here never made me feel bad for asking such simple questions, as everyone has been in those shoes at one time or another. :razz:
 

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Once you are done, pl, you will be offering experienced advice to all the new pond builders. Experience learned and earned during your build
 

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I appreciate your confidence in me Addy and CE, but not sure I feel that. LOL I think I would have a big mud puddle if I had not found this forum. Raining today so the only thing in our plans for today is to go get another pallet of rocks and to finish plumbing on the bio-filter. I'm really hoping tomorrow I can fill it up!! Flexible PVC won't be here till Tuesday. :sad: We still have many little things to keep me busy until then.
 

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Just like how do you eat an elephant.................one bite at a time. Your pond will be wonderful when you are done.
 
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Addy is right, and the building and changing and looking at it when you THINK it's done ... all worth it, or "priceless" as they say. It's such a feeling of accomplishment when completed. But, as everyone says, and I totally agree, you are never "done", always thinking of new things to add or change or move or .... you get the idea. :)
 

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The thing is country you see other ponds and then start getting ideas .I know even when I look at the you tube video's of bog building it can put you in overload heaven .It's like dangling a piece of candy right in front of your face .
 

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I agree Sissy. Mine isn't even done yet and I can already see things different than our original plan. My husband found this "treasure" this afternoon when he was feeding the cows. I think it will make a great addition for future Koi to escape to. Didn't get alot accomplished this weekend. Bought more rock and worked on the waterfall area. Hopefully our PVC tubing will be here tomorrow and maybe can get working on the filter.
 

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