Here we go...

[sissy]

The clear tubing breaks down also and will get more algae growth in it from just the light getting through it .i used it only my first pond and big mistake it got clogged up fast .My neighbor used hose she bought from a plumbing supply store and it was cheap and she has had it in for 4 years now and plus they helped her find all the fittings she needed .I bought the sump pump hose because it was cheap at the time and couldn't find any hose that was big enough ..I may check out the plumbing supply store also as her hose was a heavy rubber hose type and is reinforced and is actually used for large farm ponds .I wonder if tractor supply has this hose also .They carry large farm pond supplies .

 

[addy1]

Late in joining this discussion, I just use the rigid pvc, glue and connections. Never had a failure.

 

[pondlover]

We have found the 1 1/4" sump pump hose, but from what I've been reading, the 1 1/2" is the desired size. The hose comes with 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" discharge adapters. I wonder if it will be much difference if we use an adapter to make the discharge 1 1/2"? We were then planning on using 1 1/2" to filter and bog area.

 

[addy1]

I used 2 inch on all my plumbing. The larger the pipe the less resistance the piping will have, so adapt it up to 1.5 if you can

 

[CountryEscape]

I'm not positive, but I think someone said to check out your pump and see what it recommends for size of hose. I know I remember someone saying go as big as you can, so you have more volume, but I think also if you have smaller, you have more pressure. But, check your pump and see what it shows. I can't remember if the sump pump hose I have is 1.25", but I'll bet it is, and that's why it was my last resort, as I also wanted 1.5" ID. However, it seems to be working very well, although I've only had it in since fall, and it is VERY flexible even now in the winter, although it is drained. The part in the bog will be the real test, as it is in shallow enough water that it will definitely freeze solid. As I said, and maybe you are burying your hose, but my hose is all available for easy replacement when/if I need to. And, since I've already replaced most of it, I know how, too. The only part that has not been replaced are the small pieces between the shut offs from the pump to the fountain and the waterfall! Those areas still have the clear, and it was fine when I checked it when I was changing out the other. Very little algae inside of it, but enough to make it no longer clear. If that is all that gets in there, it really doesn't matter, and I wonder if the clear would be fine if it was covered so no sunlight like you said. Sissy said it breaks down, though. We are learning as we go, PL!

 

[koiguy1969]

if i had to choose i would use the 1&1/2" before the pump. if your plumbing your system like i did. ( i seem to recall you were).. but if you run 1&1/4" before the pump you may as well use it after. 1&1/2" after the pump will still only allow the same amount of water that the 1&1/4" lets in before the pump. i have my pump right by the filter and the pumps inlet plumbed to the other side of pond with a prefilter. (a solids filter)
CE.. i have used the sump pump hose as well...it will last along time as long as its in the pond under water...my problem with it, is that the ridges hold air and it wants to float up. so either you hold it down with something or you have to cap one end extend it straight up and fill it with water so the air can escape. then it will lay on the floor of the pond without aid....

 

[addy1]

My arizona pond, I had 2 inch going into the pump, two inch coming out of the pump going into a 4 inch pipe that went to the top of the stream.

The water flow and pressure was great.

 

[koiguy1969]

true addy...but the amount of water flow was controlled by the 2" input pipng not the larger pipe after. if you had the pump drawing thru 1" and pushing thru the 2" pipe and 4" pipe they would have been under utilized.

 

[CountryEscape]

Mark, I have noticed it wanting to float where I put it from the skimmer, along the inside of the pond edge on the plant ledge, so I just put rocks on top of it. I'll make sure to fill it with water in the spring before I hook it back up! Thanks for the pointer. Silly me, I had no idea the ridges were holding air, I figured it was the hose itself.

 

[addy1]

true addy...but the amount of water flow was controlled by the 2" input pipng not the larger pipe after. if you had the pump drawing thru 1" and pushing thru the 2" pipe and 4" pipe they would have been under utilized.

The pump had two inch input and output, we used 4 inch to make the 40 foot run to the top of the stream, uphill from the pond.

 

[koiguy1969]

addy...i understand what you said....it basically reinforces my statements. i was just emphasizing that the size of the pipe going "in" the pump should be as large or larger than the pipe "out" from the pump... you just cant pump more water than the pipe "into" the pump allows, regardless of how big the pipe is after the pump.

 

[addy1]

i understand what you said.... i was just emphasizing that the size of the pipe going "in" the pump should be as large or larger than the pipe "out" from the pump... you just cant pump more water than the pipe "into" the pump allows, regardless of how big the pipe is after the pump.

how true!

 

[pondlover]

The pump that I purchased only has one area to connect hose to. I guess it draws the water from the bottom of the pond. It's the Laguna Max Flo 4200. It does have a screen kind of all the way around the pump that is removable. Should I remove that and connect a hose to that end as the intake? Oh so confusing. :question:

 

[pondlover]

I removed the outer housing and we see the actual intake house. Since I'm going to order the flexible PVC tubing from webbsonline, I'm going to order a bottom drain assembly also. I ordered my pump from them Tuesday and it came today. Fast shipping!! I don't think we'll be ready to refill pond this weekend since they are calling for rain, but I want to be ready!

 

[CountryEscape]

PL, I'm not positive, but I think you only need to have a hose from the inlet if you plan to have a better filter box system before the water goes through the pump. I have my pump on the bottom of my pond (well, not on the bottom, on a shelf on the bottom) and the line comes up out of the water, them splits to go back down to the fountain and another line goes on the outside of my pond and waterfall edge to the filter box that the waterfall weir is connected to. My other pump is in the skimmer, and again, the water simply is sucked in through the pump, although there is a filter in the skimmer box that catches larger stuff, then the pipe goes on the inside of the pond to the bog. It all seems very confusing, if you're anything like me, and I was very grateful to have a guy friend helping me with putting everything together. Once it's together, my thoughts were, "Wow, I could have figured that out!"