George Zimmerman Trial

[crsublette]

But neither does a drunk driver and they get prosecuted for a poor decision as well as they should be.

So I guess now, we're equivocating concealed gun owners as a drunk driver. Nice twist. First time I have heard of that one.

 

[dieselplower]

So I guess now, we're equivocating concealed gun owners as a drunk driver. Nice twist. First time I have heard of that one.

Maybe the will start giving out permits for drinking and driving as well. Could be a good revenue generator.

 

[Koigal50]

What I'm saying is either way it goes, it is right that he has been prosecuted. And I personally, would hold him responsible for making a poor decision that resulted is someone's death.

 

[CdnJCR]

Hmmm. World War 2.

The French saved America at the formation of her so that American can be the world's military power so we can save others. I'm not a history buff, but the trend is that folk do not want help due to America's military, and, if we do not help, then some how their mangled thinking is always mutated to say it is America's fault or responsibility since we have been the primary world power, which is on the decline due to adverserial politics.

Before back to topic a bit of history.

Canada was involved in WW1 and WW2 years before the USA entered. Specifically WW2 Canada declared war on Germany on Sept 10, 1939

The USA was attacked by Japan on Dec 7, 1941 and as is common knowledge the USA declared war on Japan there-after. The USA never did declare war on Germany as American sentiment was 'we have our war, they have theirs' - however for reasons still unknown Hitler declared war on the USA a few days later which then prompted the USA to declare war on Germany also.

 

[crsublette]

Before back to topic a bit of history.

Canada was involved in WW1 and WW2 years before the USA entered. Specifically WW2 Canada declared war on Germany on Sept 10, 1939

The USA was attacked by Japan on Dec 7, 1941 and as is common knowledge the USA declared war on Japan there-after. The USA never did declare war on Germany as American sentiment was 'we have our war, they have theirs' - however for reasons still unknown Hitler declared war on the USA a few days later which then prompted the USA to declare war on Germany also.

Fair enough.

Doesn't change the given points.

 

[crsublette]

What I'm saying is either way it goes, it is right that he has been prosecuted. And I personally, would hold him responsible for making a poor decision that resulted is someone's death.

And I would apply the same standard to the kid as well. Unfortunately, the kid already received the punishment for being involved in assaulting the fella creating the fear to Zimm's life.

 

[crsublette]

If Zimmerman used mace, knife, tazer, and somehow the kid still died, then I gaurantee ya this case would proceed the same as it is now.

 

[dieselplower]

What I'm saying is either way it goes, it is right that he has been prosecuted. And I personally, would hold him responsible for making a poor decision that resulted is someone's death.

I have already shown how you have shown him not guilty according to the laws of the USA. Are you going by your own laws now? And shoot I bet you are the ONLY person in Texas trying to stick up for Martin. Texas folks love talkin tuff about shootin people etc.

 

[capewind]

Wow ... I brought up the context of HEAD INJURIES with my daughters' accident thanks to a drunk driver, and how a SERIOUS IMPACT could leave NO VISIBLE wounds, but now the CRIMES between this case and drunk driving are being compared??? There is NO comparision OTHER than the courts need to follow the letter of LAW in reaching any decision with EVERY CASE.

IF we are to compare this case, to typical drunk driving LAW, that is all the more support that Zimmerman should be found NOT GUILTY.

 

[Koigal50]

Yeap, I'm a transplant

 

[capewind]

Because I, don't see things as black and white or Spanish or anything like that. All male human beings have the potential to be scary to women. A woman, is a mother first. We are generically encode with the emotion card, more so than men. We feel more empathy for others and can put ourselves into our young (colorblind, mind you) son's situation.

At least I hope to think that's true. Only my humble opinion.

While most women are mother's first, I would hope most mothers would be capable of putting aside personal OPINION and follow LAW. If one doesnt like the law, one must deal with that issue at another time. Believe me, there are laws I am not happy with, but I can not allow emotions to over rule common sense of being part of a civilized society.

 

[dieselplower]

He made a bad decision getting out of the car. For both of them. I think he did kill him in fear for his life at that point. I don't think he went out intestinally to kill someone. But neither does a drunk driver and they get prosecuted for a poor decision as well as they should be.

Talk about exaggerating the truth, thug, druggie. Do you know anything about teenager and their experimenting stages, in todays world. I'm not saying it's right, but their not thug druggies, either.

By the way, yes I do know a little about teenagers these days. I happen to be a loss prevention executive for a fortune 500 company. I have caught hundreds of teenagers stealing in the last 10 years. I don't have the stats in front of them but many, many, many of them try to fight me, try to run away, call me names, are generally rude and disrespectful, take no responsibility for their actions, and show no remorse. Boy do I enjoy putting the fighters in their place So yeah, I'd say I know a bit more than most people do about the quality of today's youth

 

[capewind]

Actually I'd love to hear your opinion about why an all woman jury, where 5 of them are white, is a bad idea? The guy was defending himself from a proven thug and drug user. And to top it off, he was black. Who would be more afraid of that description than a white woman? I think the jury selection works perfectly for the defense.

Personally, I think 6 woman, 5 being mothers, regardless of race, is good for the defense. I believe IF THEY CAN FOLLOW LETTER OF LAW, it is a good call for an individual who can see both sides of a case like this. It is very sad that a young man is dead, but his actions DID play a part in the loss of his life.

 

[Koigal50]

No, I'm not talking about gun owner's or assault's compared to drunk drivers. I'm talking about them in their own separate entities. I'm talking about the laws bringing people to prosecution due to the decisions they made.

 

[crsublette]

Also, the law states the court case must be proved beyound a resonable doubt; if can not prove this, then this is why we have hung jury, acquital's, and not guilty verdicts.

Not every death that occurs in the country is brought to prosecution for very good reasons. Not every assault is brought to prosecution for very good reasons.

Problem is that folk are too lawsuit happy and the losers never pay in this country. Unfortunately, the kid paid for the decisions he made.

It is quite interesting how all the emotion is against the one living victim and not any evidence of the kid trying to runing away and all of the evidence disregarded, as determined and edict by the judge, about how the kid wanted the fight.

If cooler heads prevailed, then this should have been a civil case, which I bet the Martin family would have received something. Now, I bet the Martin family will receive nothing. I doubt Zimmerman is a rich guy, his life is definitely ruined, and he is definitely likely not going to be well off after this case. I would not be suprised if he changes his name and goes into some sort of protection program. Unless, he writes a book about it and give the procedes to the Martin family. Heck, I could see the Martin family being the ones that write the book. It seems like the trend nowadays is to write books when things like this happen.