Bog building, also called upflow filter, eco filter, wetland filter

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Oh I didn't think of it like that and it does make sense. But my idea is to dig the trench for the pvc pipes at the bottom, so the slits will be flush with the bottom when it hits the plastic pallets, does that makes sense? isn't that better or even like that you would still face them downward?

That plan sounds good. Probably unnecessary for 4” distribution piping. The point of the trench in a wetland filter is to get the settled solids back to a snorkel pipe during a back flush.
 
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When we had our pond built 2 years ago, it was by an Aquascape contractor near us. That was the first time I’ve seen the crates used. I have since implemented milk crates in a bog I built for my cousin in GA. The idea is not oniy that you will use far less rock, but that there is a void area in case any muck collects. Ours has a 10” pipe on the end that I can put a shop vac down if I ever feel the need to clean it out. I had the simple version with just pea gravel in IL for 10 years, never had to clean out the pipes or bog. But I will say when I pulled out a canna plant the first year here in OH, the roots were over 8’ long! They just kept coming as I pulled out the plant in the fall. That void allowed the roots to grow and grow and GROW!
 
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When we had our pond built 2 years ago, it was by an Aquascape contractor near us. That was the first time I’ve seen the crates used. I have since implemented milk crates in a bog I built for my cousin in GA. The idea is not oniy that you will use far less rock, but that there is a void area in case any muck collects. Ours has a 10” pipe on the end that I can put a shop vac down if I ever feel the need to clean it out. I had the simple version with just pea gravel in IL for 10 years, never had to clean out the pipes or bog. But I will say when I pulled out a canna plant the first year here in OH, the roots were over 8’ long! They just kept coming as I pulled out the plant in the fall. That void allowed the roots to grow and grow and GROW!
thats why i feel 24inches of gravel is better than 12 not many plants will grow down into the matrix
 
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That plan sounds good. Probably unnecessary for 4” distribution piping. The point of the trench in a wetland filter is to get the settled solids back to a snorkel pipe during a back flush.
Great info. I was under the impression that I could do that as well with the two cleanouts, but i see now it won’t be as easy.
Also the pallets will be supported by the whole bottom floor instead of being kind of on the “air” on top of the pvc pipes.
Should i make the slits wider? Or that’s just asking for trouble?
 
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Great info. I was under the impression that I could do that as well with the two cleanouts, but i see now it won’t be as easy.
Also the pallets will be supported by the whole bottom floor instead of being kind of on the “air” on top of the pvc pipes.
Should i make the slits wider? Or that’s just asking for trouble?

You’re mixing bog styles together. You’re about halfway to an aquascape style filter,

Probably nothing wrong with that. It’ll work, they all work! But might be more work for no real benefit. W/o the trenches, you’d just add gravel up to the top of the pipe, then add your pallets.

How are you going to back flush with 4” clean out? Stick a vacuum hose down there?
 
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thats why i feel 24inches of gravel is better than 12 not many plants will grow down into the matrix
Hmm … if most plants won’t make it to the void below 12” of rock, why would you use more than 12” of rock? It’s amazing how far the roots will reach in a bog, even small plants.
I just yesterday noticed my hosta in the bog is budding out. Other hosta plants in the ground have not come to life just yet, proving once again that bog plants get started earlier than ground plants.
 
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Most of of the biological filtration happens in the gravel, so more gravel = more bio filtration.
Oh yes of course this makes sense!
This is the first pond (my 3rd) with rock on the bottom and on the shelves and shelf walls. I believe that extra rock is also why my water remains so clear year round. Added surfaces for bacteria to adhere.
 
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You’re mixing bog styles together. You’re about halfway to an aquascape style filter,

Probably nothing wrong with that. It’ll work, they all work! But might be more work for no real benefit. W/o the trenches, you’d just add gravel up to the top of the pipe, then add your pallets.

How are you going to back flush with 4” clean out? Stick a vacuum hose down there?
Right, I would use my wet/dry vacuum to clean down there.
I actually just watched one of your videos and your wetland filter. That was kind of the idea with my set up but I see how you said that I'm mixing different styles, now I'm a bit confused of what's better to do.
I also didn't think about the pvc pipe cracking during our harsh winters in MA. Will need to make it a bit deeper below frozen line, the trench could help with that.
You got some cool videos!
 
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Right, I would use my wet/dry vacuum to clean down there.
I actually just watched one of your videos and your wetland filter. That was kind of the idea with my set up but I see how you said that I'm mixing different styles, now I'm a bit confused of what's better to do.
I also didn't think about the pvc pipe cracking during our harsh winters in MA. Will need to make it a bit deeper below frozen line, the trench could help with that.
You got some cool videos!

Wouldn’t say one is better than another. Both styles have pros/cons. I think you’ll get great results either way.
 
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Hmm … if most plants won’t make it to the void below 12” of rock, why would you use more than 12” of rock? It’s amazing how far the roots will reach in a bog, even small plants.
I just yesterday noticed my hosta in the bog is budding out. Other hosta plants in the ground have not come to life just yet, proving once again that bog plants get started earlier than ground plants.
many marginals like cat tails supposedly have roots that extend 18 to 20 inches
 

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I was asked to start a thread on how to build a bog.

This is my rendition on bog building 101.............

Building a bog:

Before you decide to build a bog, you need to know what you want its primary purpose to be.
Total pond filtration
bog filtration combined with another filter.

If you want total pond filtration using a bog;
By volume, 5-15% the size of the water volume of the pond.
By surface area, 10-30% of the pond surface area.

If you are having a large fish load or koi you would want to have the larger bog size.

My bog is 27% compared to the surface area of my pond. (I love plants and they love the bog). My only filtration is my bog.My bog is deep, most bogs are no more than 12 inches in depth.You want your water level in the bog to be lower than the pea gravel, this will make the water work to get back into the pond, through the plant roots.

If you just have a bog for some filtration (have another filter also) it can be whatever size you would like it to be.Do not pre-filter the water before it enters the bog, this will starve the bog of needed nutrients.

There are multiple ways to build a bog, I have used three different ways in my ponds.

All bog drawings show an submersible pump, I use an external, it was just easier to draw with a submersible. So you can use either a submersible or a external. Have a leaf basket in line with your pump to collect any large debris before it enters the bog.


My current bog is a raised bog.We built a wall between the pond and bog, left one area that is low for a water fall back into the pond.One piece of liner was used for the pond and bog.

This bog has a solid separation between the pond and bog

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The following three bogs all have blocks, rocks stacked so water will flow through them, porous retaining wall, rock, whatever will keep the pea gravel behind the wall and out of the pond.The water will be pumped into the bog and work out back into the pond through the wall.

A partition bog can be built.Build your pond to the size and shape you want, have the bog in the pond separated by a partition.


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Or

A border bog can be built.(I have used border bogs, looks really nice.)Dig a border for your pond, 12 inches deep as wide as you want.Porous stones will be placed between the bog and the pond.

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Or

A island bog. An island of pea gravel, separated from the pond by a porous wall.


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Once you decide what bog you want the fun begins.

You need to lay out the pvc piping. I use 2 inch below my pea gravel.You can use 1.5 inch pvc if you wish, do not go smaller.This size is to keep the piping from clogging up.

Once you know the lengths you need, the distribution pipe needs to be perforated.We cut ours approximately every 6 inches, due to the size of our bog, we wanted to make sure the water made it to the end of the pipe.

Cut about every 1 to 1.5 inches apart the length of the pipe. If you have a long pipe run make the cuts further apart.Use a circular saw to cut 1/4 to 1/3 of the way through the pipe perpendicular to the water flow.If your bog is only 3 feet in width you can get away with just one distribution pipe, wider you should use two.

Lay your pipe in the bog.I laid mine slits down, so whenever I turned the pump off pea gravel would not be able settle in the piping.But I did lay extra liner under the pvc the length of the pipes to protect the liner from the continuous water flow. You could also lay the pvc with the cuts up.

At the end of your pipe run, put in a clean out pipe. I did not put a clean out pipe in this build, it has not been missed.

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Paint the cap sticking above pea gravel brown to make it less noticeable.


Shovel 3/8 inch pea gravel into the bog.Wash the best you can, but even with washing there will be silt from the gravel; the bog will clean it out.

When building your bog walls, make the walls around 6 inches over the pea gravel level. As the plants grow, the roots grow, the water level will raise. You need the extra wall space to handle the rise in the water level. Two years into having my bog I had to raise the walls about 4 inches.

Plant around 1 plant per square foot.If your pond and bog are new, leave the dirt on the plants roots.There is not enough nutrition for the plants with a new bog.
Be careful what you plant in your bog, some plants are aggressive growers.
Do not leave the plants in their pots, take them out.

plant list:

I plant hardies:

This is what I have currently:

Obediant plant
black gamecock iris
dwarf golden sweetflag
dwarf cattails
varigated snow flake-lily like plant needs to be planted about 14" under water surface.
Water Willow
green creeping Jenny
Marsh betony

4 leaf water clover
fuzzy 4 leaf water clover
mini spearwort
white star grass
penny wort
water mint
blue water forget me not
water iris soft pinkkirk strawn
4 left water clover variegated

Excellent Plants for the Bog may include:(from the net)

Arrowhead Sagitaria (zone 4-6) Summer Bloomer. Bulbing root system stores(nitrogen, potassium & phosphorous)

Canna (zone 8-10) Summer Bloomer. A bog’s best friend. This plant is a biomass factory and has amazing beauty and structure. A heavy feeder on (nitrogen, potassium & phosphorous) from April through September.

Cattails (zone 3-5) Summer Bloomer. are vigorous growers and have deep roots.

Creeping Jenny (zone 5) Spring Bloomer.

Daylily - Spring through Summer Bloomer. Surprisingly, water is the best fertilizer for daylilies. They are an excellent nutrient feeder and grow well in the shallow areas of a bog garden. Daylily come in a variety of colors and blooming times for a long lasting color in your garden.

Eyed Grass (Yellow & Blue) (zones 5-7) Spring Bloomer.

Iris - (zones 4-6) Summer Bloomers.
Common water iris. (Louisiana Iris) Great variety in colors and styles. Plant habit is spreading and untidy appearance.
Japanese variegated water iris is a strong grower late spring through fall. Iris are good at removing both nitrogen and phosphorous.
Siberian Iris are preferred for their strong, clumping habit. Most growth spring and summer but use potassium and phosphorous in summer and fall for energy storage for next year’s bloom.

Kaffir Lily (zone 7) Fall Bloomer. A bulbing lily with watermelon red flowers. Grows in cooler temps of spring and fall. Small top growth controlled.

Lobelia Cardinalis (zones 5-7) Fall Bloomer. Beautiful late summer bloom. Nice color diversity. Heavy potassium user.

Marsh Marigold (zones 2-4) Spring Bloomer. A fast growing cool temperature plant. Begins growing very early in spring producing flowers by early March and continues through April, often re-blooms in the fall when weather cools. Medium root depth and actively feeds when most plants are dormant.

Pickerel Rush (zone 3-6) Summer Bloomer. Strong summer growth and bloom. A spreading habit with a shallow root system. A strong feeder on the total nutrient system. Blue Pickerel Rush is very hardy in our area, with a long bloom season.

Rain Lily (zone 6) Fall Bloomer. Late summer and fall grower. This bulb plant has a small controlled top growth but a dense vigorous root system with storage bulbs. Strong user of phosphorous and potassium.

Rush - Variegated Striped Rush (zone 5-6) Summer Bloomer. Evergreen and continues to grow almost year-round strongest growth in summer. Roots are shallow and need oxygen. Open habit allows for under story growth.but has a large vigorous root system feeding its bulbs. Very

Slough Sedge (zone 4) Very prolific, yet clumping. Grows to 5’ high in bogs. Deep rooting habit. Bio-mass. Strong user of potassium, sulfur, calcium and sodium. Somewhat salt resistant.

Society Garlic (zone 7) Summer Bloomer. Strong summer growth. Love phosphorous.

Star Grass (zone 7) Summer Bloomer. Very controlled, medium root depth, summer fall growth. Grasses are strong feeders of potassium and sulfur.

Thalia (zone 6) Summer Bloomer. Very deep rooted. Open stem structure allows for very diverse under story growth. Summer blooming. Large storage roots.

Water Forget-Me-Not (zone 3) Spring Bloomer. Vigorous low grower. Shallow rooted. Easily pruned. Blooms from March through October.

Yellow Monkey Flower (zone 6) Spring Bloomer. Early spring growth and bloom. Deep root system.

Bog Plants:
Arrowhead
Assorted Taros
Bog Lily
Cannas
Chinese Water Chestnut
Creeping Jenny
Dwarf Horsetail
Dwarf Papyrus
Dwarf Variegated Sweetflag Giant Melon Sword
Japanese Iris
Lizard's Tail
Lousiana Iris
Pickerel Rush
Red Stemmed Sagittaria
Ribbon Grass
Ruby Creeper
Ruby Eye Arrowhead Sensitive Plant
Siberian Iris
Spider Lily
Spike Rush
Star Grass
Thalia
Variegated Spider Lily
White Bull Rush
Zebra Rush
Plants that are invasive in the Bog (Think Twice Before Planting)
Horsetail
Aquatic Mint
Chameleon Plant
Parrot's Feather
Red Stemmed Thalia
Cattails
Umbrella Palm
Yellow Iris


ok brain and fingers are tired, if there are any glaring goofs will fix .....................
Thinking about adding a bog to my pond.
 

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strongly recommended all kinds of posts and info on the two types of bogs and the many configurations
My pond stays really clear but I have alot fish waste that I want to be able to get rid of more easily this is the main reason I am wanting to install bog plus I will leave my waterfall filter system so I will then have 2 water falls. I am also going to hide my heat pipes since I fixed my shelf to hide liner plus reduce them to 1 inch so they heat better and will make life of heater last longer. I THINK THAT IS ALL FOR NOW
 

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