Why would you not vote for Trump or Clinton be specific.

[MitchM]

Time for the youngsters to "man up" and put their big boy/girl pants on.

With that kind of coddling, young people are being taught how to be good victims, certainly not leaders.
Learning how to become a victim is easy.
Teachers are taking the easy way out.

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[Lisak1]

In 1944, 19 and 20 year olds were storming the beaches of Normandy.

Precisely! The liberals in our country want weak, dependent voters. Keep them on the dole and feeling grateful for every handout, fearful that they'll be cut off if the
wrong party gets elected. And if we don't stand up and say "enough!" they'll have their way. We already have more takers than we do earners in the US - common sense tells you that's unsustainable math.

 

[mgmine]

It's not impossible to turn things around it just takes enough people willing to tackle the problems. We here in the U.S. have started by putting someone at the top that at least talks a good talk. Now if we could only drain the swamp and start over with all new leadership. Even NAFTA isn't a bad idea until you add in Mexico and the unfair advantage that they have by not having to play by the same rules as the U..S and Canada.

 

[MitchM]

I see the US economic situation similar to a company being bought and broken up into smaller pieces.

Send manufacturing over to these countries, tax havens moved over to another country, supply contracts over to another country, ect.
Meanwhile, the US government puts banking policies into place that allow quantitative easing benefits to go to the big banks where the banks then loan money only to corporations which then buy back their own company shares in order to increase returns to the shareholders.

The politicians in power at the time then receive paybacks and benefits if they continue to provide further business to these foreign countries.
A small piece of the quantitative easing money is put into entitlements, instead of education and infrastructure to the USA.
The population receiving the entitlements (welfare) want to continue to receive that money, so they choose to vote for the person that promises to keep it up, even though it does nothing to improve their quality of life.

A sad situation.

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[MitchM]

In countries like China, their citizens are now becoming the wealthy ones, looking for a better way of life.
They will soon be demanding a lower cost of goods manufactured in some foreign country.
Are the citizens of the US going to become low paid, poor working conditions, factory workers for foreign countries next?
I hope not.

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[MitchM]

President Trump has one heck of a challenge ahead of him.
I wish him the best of luck.

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[Lisak1]

The population receiving the entitlements (welfare) want to continue to receive that money, so they choose to vote for the person that promises to keep it up, even though it does nothing to improve their quality of life.

Precisely. The poor are still just as poor as they were 8 years ago. And the social programs just keep growing. We have states that brag about how many more people they have on food stamps now - how is that a good thing people? A safety net is all well and good - but making welfare the family business is a huge problem.

 

[bettasngoldfish]

 

[callingcolleen1]

Trump will make things better... I have strong faith in that man. Trump will rid the county of corruption and create many new jobs. It will be so exciting to see the crooks all rounded up and busy making licence plates!!! Throw the criminal paid protesters in with the crooks too!!!

Kids all need to grow up and send them to work in the Army!!!!

 

[callingcolleen1]

Careful what you wish for...

 

[callingcolleen1]

 

[MitchM]

Automation has certainly reduced the labor force, it's incredible what they can make a PLC do to machines now. My last employer invested aprox. 5 million in automated machines in order to cut 7 production positions. At the rate a production worker earned it take years to recover that cost, even if the machine worked as advertised which it did not. It was a maintenance nightmare, one guy dedicated to only those machines, untold hours of downtime and a new area just for spare parts. The worst part, they were Italian built, so no American got any money for them, the installation or part supply (other than me when I assisted the install).
Recently visited a large cereal maker. Very few actual people there, just a ton of conveyors and packagers and few blue shirt maintenance guys waiting for a part to fail. I bet management has no idea where those boxes come from. Automation is a huge part of food processing now because it reduces the chance of contamination greatly, the less hands that touch it the better. Metal detection, x-ray, leak test, better than someone kindna looking at the package as it's packed. Lucky for me a machine will always need maintenance, be it preventative or repair.

I came across an article that somewhat addresses this issue; automation replacing workers.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us...utput-has-doubled-in-three-decades-2016-03-28

The article has a ton of data in it, well worth discussing, if anyone is interested.

The biggest problem, imo, is that once you replace the workers in the name of efficiency, the workers have nowhere to go and the current politicians assume that they will find other work "somewhere else". Seeing constant instagram posts and media coverage from wealthy celebrities that produce nothing only rubs salt in the wound.
Is it any wonder that people voted against the liberal jetset and their candidate, or just didn't show up to vote?

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[peter hillman]

I'm hearing stories of "I don't know what I'm going to do now" and "I haven't' slept since the election" Well, I'm going to get up in the morning and go to work just like always. Trump doesn't scare me, why should he? Why should anyone be scared of him? Unless your maybe doing something you shouldn't, being in the country illegally, ridin that river of unemployment benefits. Then I could see being a little worried.

 

[peter hillman]

I came across an article that somewhat addresses this issue; automation replacing workers.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us...utput-has-doubled-in-three-decades-2016-03-28

The article has a ton of data in it, well worth discussing, if anyone is interested.

The biggest problem, imo, is that once you replace the workers in the name of efficiency, the workers have nowhere to go and the current politicians assume that they will find other work "somewhere else". Seeing constant instagram posts and media coverage from wealthy celebrities that produce nothing only rubs salt in the wound.
Is it any wonder that people voted against the liberal jetset and their candidate, or just didn't show up to vote?

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I'll read that further after breakfast. But yea, what few manufacturing jobs that actually require a warm body has dropped dramatically due to automation, and the break up of American unions has lowered their wages. There's still quite a few things made here but the quality isn't what it used to be due to cost reduction programs and managers desperate for another bonus. Then there's the unskilled labor, get the cheapest body you can find, don't bother training them cuz they won't be here next month anyway.
Factory workers used to retire in their positions, unlikely now. In my area warehousing is the biggest thing around, we have Amazons D.C. and several others that do the same thing, Tesla's mega-factory set to open in the next year or so, along with Panasonic's battery factory next to it. A lot of well paying positions they claim, but who will fill them? Today's youth have no desire to work a 40+ hr week, especially in a factory environment. They've started 'Tesla related tech' courses at UNR A young person would be wise to take this path but they would certainly face a future of 40+ hr weeks, and those pesky paychecks too.

 

[MitchM]

The basis for my thinking about the economy starts with this video.
It's a 3 part series, the first 2 parts are the best. At the end, instead of thinking about individuals going bankrupt, think about countries going bankrupt.