Underlayment / Overlayment?

[GBBUDD]

16 TON IN AND AROUND THE POND @combatwombat will attest to adds up quickly and disappears even quicker but not without a bit of effort , even using a excavator .

 

[combatwombat]

16 TON IN AND AROUND THE POND @combatwombat will attest to adds up quickly and disappears even quicker but not without a bit of effort , even using a excavator .

Either you’ve got a lot more than 16 ton or the weigh station at the rock yard is running a major scam because I’m at about 30 tons of boulders and about to order one more 10 ton load…

 

[GBBUDD]

oh i know thats nothing i was just using you as an example because you basically bought every once of stone . Where my expense was rental of equipment , and free rock basically , you had free rental and you had to buy your rock . When your done you should give a toal of rock sop people can do the math how much rock will run them for what size pond. i guestimated i was around 100 to 120 ton

 

[combatwombat]

oh i know thats nothing i was just using you as an example because you basically bought every once of stone . Where my expense was rental of equipment , and free rock basically , you had free rental and you had to buy your rock . When your done you should give a toal of rock sop people can do the math how much rock will run them for what size pond. i guestimated i was around 100 to 120 ton

I think rock/boulder pricing is extremely localized. I can even find the exact same rock at 4 yards around here from $60/ton to $110/ton. Can't begin to understand how the pricing works. I'm lucky that the stuff nature makes streams and ponds out of around here is also really cheap. I see people talking all the time about spending $3-400/ton for their boulders.

 

[j.w]

Nothing in the world like the smell of free rocks

I had free labor also but now I pay for supplements to rid the pain in my body. Guess we all choose when we are gonna pay for all this ponding stuff we love to do in the end. Oh wait that's right I forgot there is no end............
well till we move on to another out of this world ponding episode

 

[ATP]

oh i know thats nothing i was just using you as an example because you basically bought every once of stone . Where my expense was rental of equipment , and free rock basically , you had free rental and you had to buy your rock . When your done you should give a toal of rock sop people can do

I think rock/boulder pricing is extremely localized. I can even find the exact same rock at 4 yards around here from $60/ton to $110/ton. Can't begin to understand how the pricing works. I'm lucky that the stuff nature makes streams and ponds out of around here is also really cheap. I see people talking all the time about spending $3-400/ton for their boulders.

So, does this meant the formula: Length X Width X 40 = number of tons of boulders, is not what I should be using?! Sounds like I may be way undersizing what I will actually need for a 15x15 pond.

I can get granite cobble (6" to 12-16") for as cheap as 25/ton. Is that what I want to be getting or do I need to be asking for tons of boulders?

 

[brokensword]

So, does this meant the formula: Length X Width X 40 = number of tons of boulders, is not what I should be using?! Sounds like I may be way undersizing what I will actually need for a 15x15 pond.

I can get granite cobble (6" to 12-16") for as cheap as 25/ton. Is that what I want to be getting or do I need to be asking for tons of boulders?

re type; I'd not put any rock with sharp edges in a pond. I believe granite is not going to be round-edged...

 

[combatwombat]

So, does this meant the formula: Length X Width X 40 = number of tons of boulders, is not what I should be using?! Sounds like I may be way undersizing what I will actually need for a 15x15 pond.

I can get granite cobble (6" to 12-16") for as cheap as 25/ton. Is that what I want to be getting or do I need to be asking for tons of boulders?

Where did you get that formula? Never heard of it.

re type; I'd not put any rock with sharp edges in a pond. I believe granite is not going to be round-edged...

Granite comes in different shapes and sizes. Depends on where it was quarried from—stream bed vs. glacier vs. mountain side.

Everyone frets about putting rocks with sharp edges in a pond. It's a worthy concern, I guess, if you can avoid it. But it's done all day every day by pond builders DIY and pro around the world with no issue as long as you set them carefully and use an overlayment.

 

[brokensword]

Where did you get that formula? Never heard of it.



Granite comes in different shapes and sizes. Depends on where it was quarried from—stream bed vs. glacier vs. mountain side.

Everyone frets about putting rocks with sharp edges in a pond. It's a worthy concern, I guess, if you can avoid it. But it's done all day every day by pond builders DIY and pro around the world with no issue as long as you set them carefully and use an overlayment.

there's also the threat of damage to your fish, which DOES happen. Most stone found in natural lakes/streams/ponds is round, I believe.

 

[ATP]

re type; I'd not put any rock with sharp edges in a pond. I believe granite is not going to be round-edged...

I believe it’s granite. Round fieldstone, no sharp edges.

 

[brokensword]

I believe it’s granite. Round fieldstone, no sharp edges.

that works! But consider; I'd not get any fancy/colorful stone/ expensive stone because once it's covered with algae, which it will and is desirable, you'll not know if it's fancy or plain. ALL gets equalized under the water and I haven't had any of my fish yet speak up about the type stone I put in thte pond...jus' sayin' !

 

[ATP]

Where did you get that formula? Never heard of it.

I have seen it in a few places. here's a link: https://support.aquascapeinc.com/hc/en-us/articles/201299880-How-much-rock-should-I-use-in-my-pond-

I thought this might give me a rough estimate but maybe not?

 

[ATP]

that works! But consider; I'd not get any fancy/colorful stone/ expensive stone because once it's covered with algae, which it will and is desirable, you'll not know if it's fancy or plain. ALL gets equalized under the water and I haven't had any of my fish yet speak up about the type stone I put in thte pond...jus' sayin' !

Where, I live that type of rock is plentiful and probably my cheapest option. If I lived a bit further north toward the Adirondack Mtns I probaby would even need to buy any, it would be growing in my yard

 

[brokensword]

Where, I live that type of rock is plentiful and probably my cheapest option. If I lived a bit further north toward the Adirondack Mtns I probaby would even need to buy any, it would be growing in my yard

heh, you know how many GPFers are going to be sooooooo envious if you COULD grow your own? Seriously; the expression 'rocks in your head' means a whole nother thing here!

(and yeah, you know who you ARE, peeps!)

 

[combatwombat]

I have seen it in a few places. here's a link: https://support.aquascapeinc.com/hc/en-us/articles/201299880-How-much-rock-should-I-use-in-my-pond-

Ah, yes. A few caveats:

1. It's Length x Width DIVIDED by 40, not times 40. You'd have a mountain of boulders if you messed that up!

2. That formula probably works ok for smaller ponds with a basic ovular shape and a depth of 24" and 2 shelves. Formulas like that break down once you deviate from the basics. But it's a good rule of thumb to check your own estimations by.