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There are different levels of definitions for KH and GH. It can be as simple as "I measured KH and it was 20 ppm so I added baking soda until it was 100 ppm". In this case KH is just a name for a test, which as far as the user is concerned is a measurement of how much baking soda is in their pond. Perfectly good definition for that person. End of story for them. It did require them learning that KH and baking soda had some relationship even if they don't understand exactly how it works. I can know to put gas in my car without knowing how an engine works, or these days even that a car has an engine. I have a gauge (test) that says "add gas" and how much.

Another person might do exactly the same but also choose to measure pH too. They might notice pH is 8.8 or 9 and would rather have it be 8.3. So they might do a little reading and see GH can do that for them and choose to measure GH too. Finding it 20 ppm they would add calcium chloride and magnesium until GH was 100 ppm. That can be the end of the story for them.

Testing water and having zero idea what it means at any level would be a waste of time. If I don't know what a gas gauge measures there's no point of having a gas gauge. I'm going to keep running out of gas and calling AAA to come out and figure it out for me. There are different ways to learn things. Reading is easier imo.

You really don't exactly have to be a chemist to understand KH and GH at these levels. But KH and GH can be further defined into greater detail if a person's wishes. In discussions about these things, there is an assumption that if people are reading it they would have enough interest in the subject to learn what is being discussed. Otherwise why waste time reading it?

But like I said, many people prefer not to understand KH and GH at any level and don't bother testing water at all. That's fine for them, it's a free world. Nothing can be written to force a person to learn something. They have to make the effort.
 

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Country Escape,I started asking about the 24" swimming pool conversion ,and was told the filteration required was way beyond practical in size and scope at least for me,But the little pix in the left upper corner of my non conf.pond approx 1000 gal w/ filters considered is where the 100 + gold fish are and have been now for about a yr and are now 4-5" long water is clean and clear 1/3 hp sump pump ,55 gal bm style s/g 250 gal bio filter dyi ,dyi tt style filter pix included of makeup ,size material used,configuration .As usual unorthadox ,just added drip water make up water @1 gal ph ,to elimiate water change needs , diy Venturi air supply at bio filter entrance ,and on 1/2" feed to TT ,plus two air stones in bio tank ,one in each pond unit ,split valved at each filter to all three for distribution control.from main 1 1/2" sump supply line ,about 12' line ,1 1/2 "to both bio and s/g reduced to 1/2"at top of bio tank to feed TT ,gravity feeds bio tank ,bio tank bottom fed rotational flow .That is what I have ,so far ,fish ,very active and seem happy ,water extremely clear ,Oh ! yea ,have 1/6 hp sump pulling like a bottom drain thru 12" 1 1/2" graduated slotted pipe in the upper pond ,going to the back corner of the bio tank ,just dumps on top,I use for 2 couple hrs. if upper pond bottoms starts to look a little dirty.One water fall good flow to each level.
 

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Holy cow, that was a TON of info, Multi! LOL not sure I followed it all, but only matters that you understand it, and you obviously do. So, if you have 100 4-5" goldies in a 1,000 gal pond that have been in there for a year, and water is clear and fish are happy, you must be doing something right! And, with that many fish, maybe they are controlling population as well, keeping the numbers steady. :)
 

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Holy cow, that was a TON of info, Multi! LOL not sure I followed it all, but only matters that you understand it, and you obviously do. So, if you have 100 4-5" goldies in a 1,000 gal pond that have been in there for a year, and water is clear and fish are happy, you must be doing something right! And, with that many fish, maybe they are controlling population as well, keeping the numbers steady. :)

I think,(you all know what thats worth) The bio tank being 1/3 the size of the actual pond and all the other filters has a lot to do with it ,Water Bug ,has a way of converting the rediculous to the sublime ,reminds me of the blonde who saw no problem with the gas prices,Because she only bought $20.00 at a time and her prices had not gone up! BTW ,I can read a gas gage,and after careful study I can now tell the difference between gas and diesel ,I ain't too bright ,I only tout what I know for sure or at least believe,and usually state which,and ask about the rest,which is a lot ,Water Bug ,is extreamley knowledgable ,and I look forward to all his posts ,I love his rye sense of humor ,and ability to call a spade a spade ,w/o refering to it as a @#$%#@# shovel .PIx of My diy TT style ,poorly describe in previous post,caused lot of confusion.
120 horizonal mesh tubes .012 dia plastic mesh 1/4"x1/4" 52" wide ,pix show scrape of loose material 1" roll 52"x30" cut to 24"installed in cube 60 tubes per cube two cubes high open top and bottom ,perferated ss spray tray atop ,thru 120 tubes to drop 12" into bio tank.room in roof for sm, fan if needed,really cools the water ,and i'm sure aerates it quite well ,filteration ,well time will tell.
 

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Now that's some ingenuity there, Multi! I've never seen anything like that, but it obviously works well for you and I could see fabricating something like that myself for my system. I like the fact you have the bio material in a cube chamber. I may do something like that in my filter box, to keep the items together and the water flowing through, without some of my filter media falling to the bottom. :) Thanks for the pics, I always do better with pics. LOL
 

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