Stone & Cement Pond

Joined
Feb 3, 2023
Messages
3
Reaction score
1
Country
United States
I want to build a natural small pond that is about 3x3x3 feet to help out my permaculture ecosystem. I'm not a fan of using liner and don't have a budget for crazy materials like bentonite clay. Fortunately, I have many rocks in my area. My idea will be to dig a hole, line it with rocks, and fill the gaps with cement mixed with pebbles. Will it keep the water in? What steps should I take?
 

j.w

I Love my Goldies
Joined
Feb 1, 2010
Messages
33,814
Reaction score
20,810
Location
Arlington, Washington
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
USDA 8a
Country
United States
welcomefrogs24.gif
@frog123

If you have standing water there already it will hold at least till hot weather anyways but other than that, nope! There would be leak spots everywhere and cracking I would think.
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
14,420
Reaction score
11,414
Location
Ct
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
6b
Country
United States
No it will not hold water . you could get lucky real lucky and not have the rocks fall apart or not absorb water. though they are similar rocks and mortar . they will still crack from expansion contraction. if you coat with resins or coatings then you could be fine. You can make the concrete look like boulders add some concrete chalk you don't have to go cray S IT WILL ALL GET COVERED IN BIO ALGAE .
 
Last edited:
Joined
Aug 20, 2020
Messages
371
Reaction score
284
Location
Southwest
Country
United States
Why not use a liner and then you can cover it with your idea or rocks and cement? The liner will be the waterproofing and you can hide it so it is not visible.
 
Joined
Feb 3, 2023
Messages
3
Reaction score
1
Country
United States
Why not use a liner and then you can cover it with your idea or rocks and cement? The liner will be the waterproofing and you can hide it so it is not visible.
I want my pond to dip at a steep level to save space and still have a deep pond for fish to hide from predators. If I use liner, the rocks will roll down and expose the ugly synthetic material. I also don't like microplastics.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Oct 28, 2013
Messages
13,356
Reaction score
13,778
Location
Northern IL
Showcase(s):
1
I'll give you a simple answer then - no. You cannot reliably hold water in a hole filled with rocks and cement. I mean, it may hold SOME water, or MOST of the water... but its a crap shoot. Rocks themselves are porous and allow water to seep through. But you probably already thought of that.

Here's a question for you though - why will the liner make the rocks roll down the steep sides if the same rocks themselves without a liner won't roll down the sides? The liner has zero to do with holding the rocks in place - it simply keeps the water from seeping out.

Exposed liner in a pond won't even be visible after a year or so - it gets covered with algae, as it should. By calling it "ugly synthetic material" you just insulted about 50% of the ponds on this forum. Oh and EPDM is rubber, not plastic.

But other than that it sounds like you've got it all figured out.
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
14,420
Reaction score
11,414
Location
Ct
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
6b
Country
United States
Deep ponds can be achieved in many ways without going concrete ponds.

Myself I built a Cinderblock wall outside the pond lined it with fabric liner more fabric and then large boulders. there's a blog of the build in my showcase

@combatwombat built his retaining wall on the liner within the pond. wombat has a decent build note of his wall in https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/cws-back-yard-water-garden-begins.28146/

aquascapes builds them in tiers like 24" to 30" each.

Don't get me wrong a well built concrete pool / pond is fantastic. But you need to make triple sure it is on solid ground. is well reinforced , and you get good concrete with proper mix ,air, and slump..

The concrete however should be uninterrupted meaning not pored up to a boulder or ledge. if you want to have some boulders in the pond i'd make shelves for them to be placed on AFTER the shelf and pond is built and water proofed then place your rocks and for a very realistic look then fill in up to the rock.
 
Joined
May 21, 2018
Messages
1,290
Reaction score
958
Location
Florida
Country
United States
I want my pond to dip at a steep level to save space and still have a deep pond for fish to hide from predators. If I use liner, the rocks will roll down and expose the ugly synthetic material. I also don't like microplastics.
Good grief. Dig a hole and drop in a Rubbermaid stock tank. Done.
 
Joined
Feb 9, 2022
Messages
535
Reaction score
602
Location
Northwest Florida
Hardiness Zone
9a
Country
United States
It sounds like you might need a larger pond if you want it to be a natural part of your ecosystem and include fish.
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
14,420
Reaction score
11,414
Location
Ct
Showcase(s):
1
Hardiness Zone
6b
Country
United States
fUNNY HOW MUCH MORE WORK A PREFORM IS YET SO MANY HEAD THAT WAY ON THE FIRST ATTEMPT AT A POND
 
Joined
Aug 26, 2022
Messages
56
Reaction score
50
Country
United States
I want to build a natural small pond that is about 3x3x3 feet to help out my permaculture ecosystem. I'm not a fan of using liner and don't have a budget for crazy materials like bentonite clay. Fortunately, I have many rocks in my area. My idea will be to dig a hole, line it with rocks, and fill the gaps with cement mixed with pebbles. Will it keep the water in? What steps should I take?
I would never consider building a pond without using a liner. Water has a funny way of creeping into crevices while slowly draining your pond. We built our 2,000 gallon koi pond/bog filter by digging the hole while making sure to include shelving. This provides the ideal place for stacking rock to not only create a more natural look but also creates the perfect hiding spaces for my fish. We then applied the liner throughout the pond, creek, waterfall areas and bog filter. I would suggest investing in a good quality liner because it will definitely pay off in the long-term.
 

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments. After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.

Ask a Question

Members online

No members online now.

Forum statistics

Threads
31,493
Messages
517,810
Members
13,697
Latest member
handymama

Latest Threads

Top