Question about pond materials from a recent bid and what trees/shurbs to plant around pond

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I'm wondering if I could just dig a deep trench on the side of the pond where the tree would be and fill it with concrete for a natural barrier and force the tree to find water on the other side.
 
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hubby read what I wrote and corrected me ... I should have used the word FORM ... actual fireblight effects mainly fruit trees and is a bacteria ... your Bradford Pear issues made the news here ... lack of water in the previous year gives similar symptoms and HERE, we just call it fireblight period as a copy cat ... sorry for any confusion! Next time I need to take direct dictation LOL.
 
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I wouldn't put any tree near a pond. Cleaning out leaves is my biggest maintenance activity and the nearest tree is 40 feet away. Could you consider a pergola over your pond and put shade cloth on the top? This gives you a nice place to sit and watch the fish.
 

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most expensive pump I bought so far is 129 dollars .I would look at wattage as you may get a big electric bill pass out fall in the pond . :razz: :goldfish: one on one with the fish
 

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BEFORE making any decision. I would first look at several ponds he has installed.

Since the consultant made reference to bottom drains and no rock bottom pond, then this gives me the impression that he knows something about understanding currents within a pond to obtain a self cleaning pond. Essentially, you want to make your pond into one big toilet so that there is very little settled debris.


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The second question is the filter itself. Expensive absolutely but not as much as he had it down for. Anyone know about Bead Filters?

The parameters I gave him was for a minumum footprint and no filters behind the waterfalls themselves.
If you're dead set on the bead filter, then look at how the Ultima II bead filter and the Advantage bead filter are constructed and take notice of the extra functions they perform. These are the two most highly recommended bead filters have I read about on koi pond forums. Personally, I would rather use shower tower bio-filter or a moving fluidized bed bio-filter (and here's a kit you can buy to help you build it), but you really need to have the water mechanically filtered before entering these bio-filters; this is kind of where bead filters is different from other bio-filters. It is easier to flush out the debris in a bead filter, but this is not necessarily a good thing to be distrubing the bacteria like this all the time, except it has to be done with bead filters. The better mechanical filtration will reduce the frequency of bead filter flushes. Eventually, I find folk using their bead filters as a mechanical polishing filter and then using a different bio-filter. Generally, I read folk selecting one or two sizes bigger than your fish stock density when choosing a bead filter. Personally, I really do not care for bead filters, but I guess my opinion would change if I saw one in person operate in a high stock density pond, although I doubt it could prove me wrong; I just don't have much faith in them. I put bio-filters into a ranking and bead filters would be #3 just below moving fluidized bed (#2) and below a shower tower (#1).

If you want your bio-filtration to perform the best it can, then you will need to mechanically pre-filter the water before the pump that is then pumped into a filter that polishes the water before it enters the bio-filtration. This is how a pond's filtration system can get expensive. There are many many options for mechanical pre-filters and mechanical polish filters. Personally, I think the bio-filtration unit should be the cheapest unit of the entire filtration system. Here's an example video of a very good pond filtration system that is all DIY'd. Of course, the DIY type of approach tends to require more of an area footprint, but it is all DIY stuff so a bit cheaper than buying it retail. If you want to go the retail route, then here's an example video of a very good pond filtration system that is craftsman made. This retail appraoch is a bit more expensive, but the plumbing can be changed so the mechanical filters and pump only consuming a 28" by 31" area foot print. Personally, if you got the money for the retail option, then I would lookup Deepwater Koi and here's a thread talking more about his products.

There are many many options you can choose for mechanically and biologically filtering your water, but I suppose just a bead filter is a good beginner filter.

Also, it is often recommended by koi pond hobbyiests that bead filters needs water that is near 200ppm KH or higher for it to perform the best it can.
 
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crsublette said:
BEFORE making any decision. I would first look at several ponds he has installed.

Since the consultant made reference to bottom drains and no rock bottom pond, then this gives me the impression that he knows something about understanding currents within a pond to obtain a self cleaning pond. Essentially, you want to make your pond into one big toilet so that there is very little settled debris.



If you're dead set on the bead filter, then look at how the Ultima II bead filter and the Advantage bead filter are constructed and take notice of the extra functions they perform. These are the two most highly recommended bead filters have I read about on koi pond forums. Personally, I would rather use shower tower bio-filter or a moving fluidized bed bio-filter (and here's a kit you can buy to help you build it), but you really need to have the water mechanically filtered before entering these bio-filters; this is kind of where bead filters is different from other bio-filters. It is easier to flush out the debris in a bead filter, but this is not necessarily a good thing to be distrubing the bacteria like this all the time, except it has to be done with bead filters. The better mechanical filtration will reduce the frequency of bead filter flushes. Eventually, I find folk using their bead filters as a mechanical polishing filter and then using a different bio-filter. Generally, I read folk selecting one or two sizes bigger than your fish stock density when choosing a bead filter. Personally, I really do not care for bead filters, but I guess my opinion would change if I saw one in person operate in a high stock density pond, although I doubt it could prove me wrong; I just don't have much faith in them. I put bio-filters into a ranking and bead filters would be #3 just below moving fluidized bed (#2) and below a shower tower (#1).

If you want your bio-filtration to perform the best it can, then you will need to mechanically pre-filter the water before the pump that is then pumped into a filter that polishes the water before it enters the bio-filtration. This is how a pond's filtration system can get expensive. There are many many options for mechanical pre-filters and mechanical polish filters. Personally, I think the bio-filtration unit should be the cheapest unit of the entire filtration system. Here's an example video of a very good pond filtration system that is all DIY'd. Of course, the DIY type of approach tends to require more of an area footprint, but it is all DIY stuff so a bit cheaper than buying it retail. If you want to go the retail route, then here's an example video of a very good pond filtration system that is craftsman made. This retail appraoch is a bit more expensive, but the plumbing can be changed so the mechanical filters and pump only consuming a 28" by 31" area foot print. Personally, if you got the money for the retail option, then I would lookup Deepwater Koi and here's a thread talking more about his products.

There are many many options you can choose for mechanically and biologically filtering your water, but I suppose just a bead filter is a good beginner filter.

Also, it is often recommended by koi pond hobbyiests that bead filters needs water that is near 200ppm KH or higher for it to perform the best it can.
Wow. Thats a lot of great information! I've been digging the hole myself and had to reroute a french drain I ran into the previous owner had installed. Because I keep screwing up DIY I will probably go the Ultima II.

I think I found the pump he is looking at but I'm wondering if its way overkill for my pond. I want to run 2 waterfalls with it but Only about a foot off the ground and each over a single piece of flagstone.

http://www.123ponds.com/a10183.html


someone directed me to these pumps a while back. Any thoughts?

http://www.highdesertkoi.com/pumps.htm
 

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To help ya with the math aspect of choosing a pump, figuring out head loss and what pump to buy and thickness of water over waterfall. There's more resources out there and probably in my disorganized notes as well, but this is what I could just find at the moment.

I know the fella at highdesertkoi does this as a business and I have read many good threads from him talking about pump quality. I think he quality checks the pumps as well when he receives them from the manufacturers to make sure there aren't any broken parts. From what I know, he knows his pumps. He's a receptive fella so shoot him a contact.
 

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When talking flow rates, something for ya to take into consideration. There are maximum flow rates to all mechanical and biological filters and most in particular to bead filters. This is due to the pressure required to backflush the bead filter. Not for sure what the flow rate would be for the Ultima, but, since it does not use a blower, it will be a noticeably higher flow rate. Since there's an advantage bead filter version that can utilize a blower, then you can use a lower flow rate. Also, you need to make sure to get the UV device that matches your flow rate. Otherwise, a bypass will need to be used for the excess flow.

For UVs, I have always heard very well of the Emperor brand, but I think these are more of a "bypass" UV type device. Not for sure on the inlines.
 
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slow going now since I hit solid rock

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One question, in putting in the bottom drain since its solid rock can I get away just putting in pea gravel underneath the drain without having to concrete it in?
 

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I just went with a PerformancePro Artesian2 1/3 HP model ran me 700$. Amazed on how quiet and efficient it is. It was a recommendation from a very Well known pond installer in my area
 

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Hey there, welp, construction is not my forte so I don't feel comfortable giving too much advice in regards to it. To give ya some ideas on bottom drain and pond return installments, here are a couple hyperlinks.

As they state, concrete is used to ensure the bottom drain does not shift. It does not take much of a shift or vibration to create a leak; so, personally, I would use concrete instead of the pea gravel due to the shifting concern.

You might think pipes do not move or vibrate much, but they really do move and vibrate a bit when water is flowing through it. There are many underground irrigation lines I have fixed merely due to the fact that there was some loose small rocks next to the pipe. This type of leak probably took many years to develop, but I have seen it happen. So, again, I would stick to the concrete to stabilize the bottom drain and maybe use sand or clean dirt to pack around the pipes under the pond.

Installing a 4" bottom drain
Installing the Koi Village Aerated bottom drain
Need help with bottom drain installation (also gives ya a good picture of the pond returns being installed)

Hope it helps.
 

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