power cost for my waterfall pump

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I don't get how you're arriving to these numbers. I plugged then into a cost calculator and it came up much more per month. What's the formula to derive the power cost? The pump is running 24/7.

It's shown in the cost calculator that Addy linked at post#2... Energy cost calculator and it shows the formula below.

For a 1210 watt water pump running 24 hours a day, there is a 29.04 kWh/day. Then multiply this by the $ / kWh of $0.098 and this gives us $0.85 per month (or $10.38 per year). This does not includes taxes.

So, unless you are giving us the wrong $ / kWh, then it should only be a little more of that.... OR.... The manufacturer lied to you about its watt usage, which is common and is why I use a watt meter.
 

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I'm multiplying 29.04 kWH by $.098 and getting $2.90/day. Am I missing something?

Bah! You're right... I had a brain fart... I was putting it in as $0.098 cents rather than 9.8 cents in the calculator.

So that'd be...

$2.84 per day
apprx $85.38 per month
$1,038.76 per year
(taxes not included)

I do not mind being corrected one bit at all... Good catch! :)
 

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Seriously folks, I know how I come across but don't be afraid to correct me... Much more important to me in being correct. (revising post#27)


So... lets redo this the RIGHT way! sheesh. :LOL:


Marktastic's pump (Little Giant WGFP 150, 1210 watts, 115v) and at $0.098 kWh, this runs ya about $1,038.76 per year (not including taxes).

High Efficiency Pump (ESS 6400 is 379.5 watt rated if it pulls 3.3 amps at 115v) and at $0.098 kWh, this runs about $325.79 per year (not including taxes).

That's a $712.97 per year electric bill savings. This means the electric savings paid for the high purchase price for a high efficiency pump (priced at $499.95, ESS 6400) after running the water pump for around 9 months due to the extra electricity usage of the Little Giant WGFP.

Save the Little Giant as a backup pump and get a more efficient primary pump. :)
 
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Figure since we're on the subject of pump's and flow rate... thought I'd give a quick post about turn over rate and using it to help you determine which pump size to purchase.


If anyone's curious about turnover rate, whether it should be 1 per hour or 3 per hour or 6 per hour, then this all depends on your filtration system and the electricity and pump you're willing to afford.

"Turnover rate" is how long it takes for the entire pond's volume to flow through the filtration system to be "refreshed". Fish are constantly producing ammonia and the sooner this is recycled then the better. Example: 1000 gallon pond with a 6000 GPH pump has a turn over of 6 times per hour.

Also, turnover rate is mutually exclusive with dilution rate, that is assuming an efficient filtration system is installed able to handle the higher flow rate. Example: 6 times per hour has a 6x dilution rate, which means a 1000 gallon pond becomes a 6000 gallon pond to the fish. However, do not forget the pond's physical dimensions, which would still restrict number of fish within the pond.

Higher dilution rate essentially means the water is more "fresh" for the fish. I am reading more and more from avid koi hobbyists doing a 3~6x turn over and their fish are growing better along with having better appetites and stronger immune systems. Big win-win here.


This is further validated by University of Maryland in the document, RAS: An overview of Waste Management, which states, "Aquaculture wastes are released directly into the water. Hence, aquaculture wastes are often given in mg/L. Most of the data for fish tolerance to various pollutants (e.g. ammonia) are also available in mg/L. However, dilution has always been one solution to pollution. In two recirculating systems that have the same fish load and are fed the same ration, the pollution load in one system may be ½ that in another simply because the water flow rate in the second is twice that in the first system. Thus, one must look carefully at pollution measurements and determine exactly what they mean."

Also folks, don't use the coefficients in that document since it assumes a generalize feed protein ratio... Rather... Use the below formula if wanting to calculate the amount of ammonia generated by fish feed, that is the ammonia generated due to feeding fish. Also, keep in mind that, after taking into account microorganism energy in the nitrification reduction, ammonia and nitrate has a 1:1 ratio. There may be a slight, quite near irrelevant, variance between fish species.

TAN = [ (gramsFeed*proteinFeed*0.092) / 18.03851 ] *62.00502

This was shared to me by Mr. Van der Werf, whom is the fella that operates Earthan Group for hobbyists and is an active industry professional in integrated recirculating aquaculture systems, that is aquaculture (fish farming) plus hydroponics (plant farming), and I make mention of him in the thread: Is aquaponics farming commercially viable?. This formula is also talked about by Dr. Timmons (of Cornell University) in his book Recirculating Aquaculture Systems, 2nd edition; not for sure if it is mentioned in the new 3rd edition of his book or not.
 
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My pump is a "Little Giant WGFP 150" 11Amps 1210 watts. 6500 GPH at 15'. I think the rise on my setup is at least 15' maybe 20'. It's doing a great job so far. I'm hoping my electric bill will reflect those specs.


Of course, the pumps mentioned above is pumping a lower flow rate, which leads to obvious electricity cost saves when compared to the Little Giant WGFP 150...


Lets do more of a Orange to Orange comparison using 6500 GPH @ 15' HH as the basline.


* Sequence 4000 Model 8200SEQ22, 4 amps MAX, 115v, 460 watts
4950 GPH @ 15' HH, 3120 GPH @ 20' HH, $827.00

*** Fluid Dynamic Mariner Series PMES9600, 5.2 amps, 115v, 598 watts
~4750 @ 15' HH, 2800 @ 20' HH, must call for price

** ESS9600, 7.2amps, 115v, 828 watts
7320 @ 15' HH, appx 3600 @ 20' HH, $599.95

* Sequence Power 1000 Series Model 8500PWR55, 5.38 amps MAX, 230v, 1237.4 watts
7440 @ 15' HH, 7080 GPH @ 20' HH, $976.00

Easy Pro TM9500, 10.9 amps, 115v, 1253.5 watts
~6400 GPH @ 15' HH, ~4600 GPH @ 20' HH, $771.19

Little Giant WGFP 150, 11 amps, 115v, 1265 watts
6500 GPH @ 15' HH, 4600 GPH @ 20' HH, $1,039.00

Fluid Dynamic Neptune Series PNHH8200, 13.3 amps, 115v, 1529.5 watts
6300 GPH @ 15' HH, apprx 5625 GPH @ 20' HH, must call for price


* Couldn't find a Sequence pump that only did 6400 GPH @ 15' HH, either was too low or too high so i'll give both models
** Couldn't find a ES series pump that only did 6400 GPH @ 15' HH, but found one the closest to it without overshooting it.
*** Fluid Dynamic's "Energy saver" closest to 6500 GPH @ 15' HH.


DISCLAIMER : I had to do my best guess on some of the flow rates by very closely analyzing the line flow charts, but the Sequence models above provided the 20 foot HH flow rates and the ESS model above provided the 15 foot HH flow rate.

I double/triple checked my self this time on the math, but I am always open to correction.
 
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Ok... So, for this Orange to Orange comparison... Marktastic, here ya go...

I think the best one above is the Sequence Power 1000 Series Model 8500PWR55 for its obvious flow rate advantages at a higher head height, but it does require a 230v connection, which might be unavailable for ya.

If you think you have no higher than a 15 foot head height, then the ESS9600 is best for ya except it has a huge flow rate drop off at once head height gets near 20 foot. So, I think this is only good choice if the head height stays near 15 foot.

Likely some other pumps I am missing, but, to my knowledge, these are the ones I know of right now.

So, lets do some electricity cost comparisons between the above 3. Using the calculator correctly this time!! With a $0.098 kWh rating...

* Sequence Power 1000 Series Model 8500PWR55, 5.38 amps MAX, 230v, 1237.4 watts
7440 @ 15' HH, 7080 GPH @ 20' HH,
Purchase price of $976.00,
Electricity cost after operating 24/7, per month is 87.38, per year is $1,062.28.

Little Giant WGFP 150, 11 amps, 115v, 1210 watts (even though the math says it should be 1265 watts, will say 1210 watts due to the manufacturer's website page)
6500 GPH @ 15' HH, 4600 GPH @ 20' HH,
Purchase price of $1,039.00
Electricity cost after operating 24/7, per month is $85.38, per year is $1,038.76

** ESS9600, 7.2amps, 115v, 828 watts
7320 @ 15' HH, appx 3600 @ 20' HH,
Purchase price of $599.95
Electricity cost after operating 24/7, per month is $58.42, per year is $710.82


The cost savings of the high efficient ESS9600 would only be advantageous if the head height was not much higher than 15 foot.
 

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Ultimately, I think the pump you chose was alright, that is with knowing only the pumps above.

The head height is a real killer when trying to save on the electricity bill. :(


If this high head height pump only pulls water for the stream, then you could put it on a timer so that it only runs during the day. This would also help control algae from building up too much in the stream and drastically cut down on the electricity cost.
 
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I appreciate all the info I get on this site. I'm a total newbie and often make impulsive decisions without thinking things through. I'm really grateful for a place to get info to do this right. I'm excited for springtime. Needs some color!
 

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If this high head height pump only pulls water for the stream, then you could put it on a timer so that it only runs during the day. This would also help control algae from building up too much in the stream and drastically cut down on the electricity cost.

This is what we used, I can't recall if we have a 1 hp, or the 3/4 hp. We run the stream and deck ponds on a timer, three times a day. The stream water and the ponds built into the stream, (3) two deck ponds, do fine. No mosquito larvae. We do get some algae in the deck pond, it is warm shallow, but the birds and bees love it so we leave it be.

The head pressure is 98 feet.The 650 gph gives a nice stream flow.
http://www.harborfreight.com/34-horsepower-clear-water-pump-69297-8705.html
 

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I appreciate all the info I get on this site. I'm a total newbie and often make impulsive decisions without thinking things through. I'm really grateful for a place to get info to do this right. I'm excited for springtime. Needs some color!
Lol we have more than once made a impulsive decision and have to change what we are doing to correct that impulse.
 

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This is what we used, I can't recall if we have a 1 hp, or the 3/4 hp. We run the stream and deck ponds on a timer, three times a day. The stream water and the ponds built into the stream, (3) two deck ponds, do fine. No mosquito larvae. We do get some algae in the deck pond, it is warm shallow, but the birds and bees love it so we leave it be.

The head pressure is 98 feet.The 650 gph gives a nice stream flow.
http://www.harborfreight.com/34-horsepower-clear-water-pump-69297-8705.html


I think this pump is more designed to be a well, irrigation, or booster / transfer pump or when head height goes above 35 foot.

So, there is always this option, that is take an incredibly lower flow rate so to obtain a lower electricity cost at a higher head height. Like I said... Head height is a real killer (on flow rate or electricity) when trying to save on the electrical bill. This is just kind of how it goes when there's a high head height involved..


*** Fluid Dynamic Mariner Series PMES9600, 5.2 amps, 115v, 598 watts, max 27' HH
~4750 @ 15' HH, 2800 @ 20' HH, must call for price
Electricity cost at $0.098 kWh rate running 24/7 : $42.19 per month, $513.37 per year (taxes not included)

3/4 HP Clear Water Pump from Harbor Freight, 5 amps, 120 volts, 600 watts, max 98' HH
650 GPH @ 15' HH, 650 GPH @ 20' HH, purchase price is $45
Electricity cost at $0.098 kWh rate running 24/7 : $42.34 per month, $515.09 per year (taxes not included)


After quickly glancing at the other models by the previous manufacturers, appears that around 35~40' HH is where the energy savings stop when compared to the 3/4 HP Harbor Freight pump.

With only knowing the manufacturers previously mentioned, I think the 3/4 HP Harbor Freight pump is made more for good flow, at low watts, when the head height starts to get above around 35 foot.
 
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I appreciate all the info I get on this site. I'm a total newbie and often make impulsive decisions without thinking things through. I'm really grateful for a place to get info to do this right. I'm excited for springtime. Needs some color!


Still can be fixed to reduce your energy costs. With Addy's help and my thoughts, I think you have 2 options...

1) Install a timer on the Little Giant so that WGFP 150 so that it only runs during the day, off during the night.

2) Reduce monthly/yearly electricity cost by purchasing another pump with a significantly lower flow rate, such as my suggestions shown in post#26.
 
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