Plants Koi eat???

[bettasngoldfish]

I feel that having a first aid kit is just being prepared, if and when the need should arise you are ready for it. It's not to say that you are going to use everything in it.

 

[Meyer Jordan]

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Surely there must be times when you have to physically have to help your koi and have to use a first aid kit yourself or are you saying that in the natural pond they can in acctual fact cure themselves because if thats the case we the formal keepers have it all wrong ,

Dave

I am not saying that Koi in a natural pond CURE themselves. What I am saying is that Koi in a properly functioning eco-system pond have a very low incident of health issues. In almost 20 years of crafting and maintaining eco-system ponds, I have had only ONE incident where human medical intervention was needed and that one incident proved to be untreatable because it was a CyHV3 outbreak. I have seen scraps and contusions. These heal quite readily on their own without any treatment. I have seen puncture wounds caused by Herons heal quite readily without treatment.
Have yet to observe a treatable parasite issue. Just naturally healthy robust fish.

As to the reintroduction of Magoi--
"Magoi blood is being reintroduced into some Go Sanke bloodlines to speed and maximize growth"
Blackwater Creek Koi Farms

 

[Dave 54]

Our koi have very low incidents of health issues too Meyer is that down to the slill of the formal keeper or the fact our ponds function well ?
It seems weve been given two reasons one in the now defunct koi mag about genetic issues and Blackwater Farms take on this .
Read Peter Waddingtons take on the difference between our ponds :-

http://koikichi.com/the-medicine-chest-and-the-koi-keeper/4/

I was looking up something else for another poster and its the few paragraphs at the start I think he aptly points out the difference .


Dave

 

[Meyer Jordan]

Our koi have very low incidents of health issues too Meyer is that down to the slill of the formal keeper or the fact our ponds function well ?
It seems weve been given two reasons one in the now defunct koi mag about genetic issues and Blackwater Farms take on this .
Read Peter Waddingtons take on the difference between our ponds :-

http://koikichi.com/the-medicine-chest-and-the-koi-keeper/4/

I was looking up something else for another poster and its the few paragraphs at the start I think he aptly points out the difference .


Dave

Let me first say that I agree with Peter on his evaluation of 'off-the-shelf' treatments.

All due respect to Peter but he appears to contradict himself,
"Be under no misapprehension, if parasite/parasites are detected in your pond, they will not disappear as if by magic. Instead they will just continue to multiply rapidly."

"Parasites hatching in a natural pond have less than 24 hours in order to find a host (fish) to attach themselves to and thus feed, this is why nature produces thousands upon thousands simply because 99.99999% will fail to find a host and thus die of starvation."

Overlooked by Peter and others is control through natural predation which is more likely to occur in an eco-system pond with its varying substrates and richer diversity of flora and fauna than in a dedicated Koi pond.

It should be emphasized that temperature greatly affects the life cycle of parasites. It is considerably longer in cold water than in warm water. Cold water (Northern latitude) ponds will likely experience a higher incidence of parasitic events because of this.

The pond owner is ultimately responsible for the environmental conditions extant in their pond.
"Uncontrollable or recurrent infestation with ciliate protozoans are indicative of husbandry problems," the University of Florida Extension Service.

An excellent info source on freshwater parasites.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa041

Seems that we have strayed considerably from the original subject of this thread...from what do Koi eat to what is eating on your Koi. For this I apologize to Silverseeds.

 

[Dave 54]

Let me first say that I agree with Peter on his evaluation of 'off-the-shelf' treatments.

All due respect to Peter but he appears to contradict himself,
"Be under no misapprehension, if parasite/parasites are detected in your pond, they will not disappear as if by magic. Instead they will just continue to multiply rapidly."

"Parasites hatching in a natural pond have less than 24 hours in order to find a host (fish) to attach themselves to and thus feed, this is why nature produces thousands upon thousands simply because 99.99999% will fail to find a host and thus die of starvation."

Overlooked by Peter and others is control through natural predation which is more likely to occur in an eco-system pond with its varying substrates and richer diversity of flora and fauna than in a dedicated Koi pond.

It should be emphasized that temperature greatly affects the life cycle of parasites. It is considerably longer in cold water than in warm water. Cold water (Northern latitude) ponds will likely experience a higher incidence of parasitic events because of this.

The pond owner is ultimately responsible for the environmental conditions extant in their pond.
"Uncontrollable or recurrent infestation with ciliate protozoans are indicative of husbandry problems," the University of Florida Extension Service.

An excellent info source on freshwater parasites.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa041

Seems that we have strayed considerably from the original subject of this thread...from what do Koi eat to what is eating on your Koi. For this I apologize to Silverseeds.

So do I however thank you for a very interesting conversation I took something away with me dont know about you Meyer
Dave

 

[amanda]

I admire anyone that is a good sport in debate. Rah, rah, david. Great sportsmanship. Like life, fish, kids, pool, no one person is right. You can a as k for advice, doesn't mean you'll take what anyone says, but its in consideration.
If you have any knowledge for a tank koi enthusiast please tell me. Whisper is not going into a pond, but my new will be.
Amanda

 

[Dave 54]

Magnum canister filters god I've not heard that name for many a year now , the magnum was one of our first ever filters all those years ago now lol .
Did you check out the articles section for the alternate foods listing we put up ?
Your tank looks alott larger than it acctually is , I would have sworn it was the same size as our own .
Good filter and tank maintenance is a must when it comes to koi indoors , you could fit an undergravel filter but thats down to you.
Clean the glass on a regular basis inside and out (I hated kids coming round with our friends under the age of 4 sticky little paw prints all over the place yuk )....
Buy an API drop test kit over that of the stick test kits as they are unreliable at the best of times .
Feed only the amount of food that your koi can eat in 5 minutes removing excess food .
Do you feed your pleco pleco flakes , make sure it is getting something to eat and your koi isnt getting to hog its food .
Buy Barry's book to get some information on koi keeping indoors
All in all what your doing now .
If you have an old canister filter you can use it to vacuum your gravel which is what I used to do with our old ehiem 2217 , this way your not chasing the water out of the tank trying to get the gravel clean as it goes up the syphon tube fill the canester with medium which will take the detritus from the water retuning clear water back to your pond and increse the amount removed in a water change to 35% remembering to add dechrornator to the water as you top up your tank again.
Buy a hagen slot together filter and power head and cover it with about an inch of gravel al in all this is what we used to do and you can see the beautiful condition our koi were in.
I see from your photos you keep cats as do many on GFP photo's please

Dave

 

[amanda]

My babies are good. I must be doing something right. This was a photo taken on they were babes. Sneaky Pete is under the bridge, now he's to big to fit through it.
Lol
Amanda

 

[Willo]

Hello. Just joined the forum.

Id love to ask a question of some experienced koi owners. I am looking for plants that koi will eat. I want a nice varied diet for my koi. I v a few types now, but Im sure there are more.

while looking this up Ive found posts on many koi forums dealing in stopping koi from eating your plants, but I have yet to find a solid list of plants you could grow especially for them. The more of those I can ID the better. So please help... I am going to ask this question of several forums, if anyone happens to see the same user ID on another forum.

I appreciate any help and thank you in advance...

My koi have eaten 12 different lillies i have put into my pond.......i dont think they are fussy