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But worms have soft bodies 
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Hi BaronOrlock, Welcome to the forum. Yes we all get attached to our fish and it is difficult to see one go. I have been fortunate not to lose any now in over a year, but I think this is just luck.
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Thanks Sissy I will give them both a shot. The area I need to treat is small. Maybe only 6x6 so hopefully it will do the trick. For some reason or another they seem to like to tunnel under this specific part of the pond where it drains out for an escape hatch or something. Even though there is a constant flow of water going in that particular tunnel. My theory is that since it is always wet ground there there is more stuff for them to eat. Usually they start around fall and set up shop through Winter and then leave in the Spring. This is the first time they moved out in April and moved back in again in Late June.
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In 7 years I have only lost 1 fish and that was 2 month's ago that one jumped out of the pond for no reason.I have always had trouble with moles even eating the roots of trees and killing them .These are the only 2 things that worked for me and I have not seen any mole mounds this year so far .I treated my yard over 2 years ago because they were getting so bad .
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They are wiping out my bulbs, this is the first year I have seen tons of tunnels, but
I don't want to wipe out the earth worms. Will have to read up on it.
Milky Spore Organic Grub Control
Safe, Natural Grub Control: Produced to USDA standards, milky spore is the safest material ever developed to control Japanese Beetle grubs. The spores kill the grubs, multiply and spread, protecting your lawn for up to 15 years.
Produced to USDA standards, Milky Spore is the safest material ever developed for control of Japanese Beetle grubs.
Milky Spore is a naturally occurring bacterium that will not harm beneficial insects, birds, bees, pets or man.
Paenibacillus popilliae (formerly Bacillus popilliae) is a soil-dwelling, Gram-positive, rod-shaped bacterium. It is responsible for a disease (commonly called milky spore) of the white grubs of Japanese beetles.
The adult Japanese beetles pupate in the July time frame (in the North East US) and feed on flowers and leaves of shrubs and garden plants. During this adult stage the beetles also mate and the females lay eggs in the soil in late July early August. The eggs hatch soon afterwards and in this larval or grub stage, they feed on the roots of grass and other plants. As the weather gets cooler and winter approaches the grubs go deeper in the soil and feeding declines as they over-winter.
In this August time frame when the grubs are close to the surface and actively feeding they are vulnerable to infestation by Milky Spore. This is also the optimal time frame for turf inoculation or applications with Milky Spore to increase Milky Spore in the soil environment (there are product specific guidelines that should be followed for Milky Spore application).
Resident spores in the soil are swallowed by grubs during their normal pattern of feeding on roots. This ingestion of the spore by the host activates reproduction of the bacteria inside the grub. Within 7-21 days the grub will eventually die and as the grub decomposes, billions of new spores are released into the soil.
Milky Spore in the soil is not harmful to beneficial insects, birds, bees, pets or man; and Milky Spore like other bacteria is highly survivable in cold and drought conditions.
sounds like no harm to the earthworms.................
I don't want to wipe out the earth worms. Will have to read up on it.
Milky Spore Organic Grub Control
Safe, Natural Grub Control: Produced to USDA standards, milky spore is the safest material ever developed to control Japanese Beetle grubs. The spores kill the grubs, multiply and spread, protecting your lawn for up to 15 years.
Produced to USDA standards, Milky Spore is the safest material ever developed for control of Japanese Beetle grubs.
Milky Spore is a naturally occurring bacterium that will not harm beneficial insects, birds, bees, pets or man.
Paenibacillus popilliae (formerly Bacillus popilliae) is a soil-dwelling, Gram-positive, rod-shaped bacterium. It is responsible for a disease (commonly called milky spore) of the white grubs of Japanese beetles.
The adult Japanese beetles pupate in the July time frame (in the North East US) and feed on flowers and leaves of shrubs and garden plants. During this adult stage the beetles also mate and the females lay eggs in the soil in late July early August. The eggs hatch soon afterwards and in this larval or grub stage, they feed on the roots of grass and other plants. As the weather gets cooler and winter approaches the grubs go deeper in the soil and feeding declines as they over-winter.
In this August time frame when the grubs are close to the surface and actively feeding they are vulnerable to infestation by Milky Spore. This is also the optimal time frame for turf inoculation or applications with Milky Spore to increase Milky Spore in the soil environment (there are product specific guidelines that should be followed for Milky Spore application).
Resident spores in the soil are swallowed by grubs during their normal pattern of feeding on roots. This ingestion of the spore by the host activates reproduction of the bacteria inside the grub. Within 7-21 days the grub will eventually die and as the grub decomposes, billions of new spores are released into the soil.
Milky Spore in the soil is not harmful to beneficial insects, birds, bees, pets or man; and Milky Spore like other bacteria is highly survivable in cold and drought conditions.
sounds like no harm to the earthworms.................
They might have a FAQ or section on their web site where you can ask about earthworms.
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Guess it is not harmful to earthworms. This is from the U.S.D.A
THE MARVELOUS MILKY SPORE STORY
AS DEVELOPED BY U.S.D.A.
HOT SPRINGS, VA - Cold, wet weather this Spring in the Eastern United States may cause heavier than normal infestations of Popilla japonica, or Japanese Beetle. Not native to this Country, the Beetles arrived accidentally in a shipment of shrubbery from Korea, not Japan, in the 1930's and have caused millions of dollars in damage to ornamentals, fruit trees, and other plants ever since. "Some years the Beetles aren't too bad, but when weather conditions are right," says Theodore Reuter, Director of St. Gabriel Laboratories in Gainesville, Virginia, "The beetles can arrive in giant swarms eating everything in sight." Reuter's laboratory collects live Beetle larvae or grubs from throughout the Middle Atlantic States twice a year, in Spring and Fall. "The adult Beetle lays fifty eggs in Fall which quickly turn into grubs." "For every 1000 adult Beetles flying around your yard in the Summer, there may be 50,000 grubs forming in the lawn by Fall," according to Reuter, "and, the nicer one maintains his lawn, the more the Beetles are attracted to it." Grubs actually cause more damage than the flying adults by feeding on grass roots; and the roots of young trees and shrubs. Even the roots of flowers and flower bulbs fall prey to Beetle grubs.
In Hot Springs, Virginia, old-timers, including golf professional "Slam-min' Sammy Snead" remembers how bad the Beetles could get at the famous golf courses in the area. "The Beetles were so bad," says Sam, "They'd fly right in your face when you tried to hit the ball." Golf course managers said there were so many Beetle grubs in the ground chewing on the grass roots, they were able to roll back the sod like a giant toupee.
U.S.D.A. Researchers, after World War Two, initiated an attack on the Japanese Beetle in what is described as the first major effort to combat insect pests using a biological tool. At the U.S.D.A. facility in Greenbelt, Maryland, Dr. Sam Dutky made a startling discovery while studying some sick Japanese Beetles he had collected. A common spore, which he named Milky Disease, would cause a serious illness in Japanese Beetle larva, which he termed "The weakest link" in the Beetle's one year life cycle. The problem was the spore didn't occur naturally enough in great quantity in the field to stop the Beetle on its own. Over the next few years Dr. Dutky* developed a process of producing Milky Spore in the laboratory using the larvae themselves. "Each grub," he said, "Becomes a tiny little factory producing up to three billion Milky Spores inside themselves." Dutky would collect the Beetle larvae from turf farmers and other locations, bring them to his laboratory, clean and anesthetize them; then inoculate each grub with a tiny hypodermic needle containing One-300th of a c.c. of Milky Disease serum derived from the original sick Beetles. Grubs were then incubated and finally sacrificed to produce Milky Spore Powder and more Milky Spore Disease serum. The finished powder was then spread on lawns in concentrated "spots" to contaminate other Beetle grubs who in turn would perpetuate the disease. Milky Spore had two great properties. One, the material only had to be applied once to the soil where it would last for years continually multiplying on its own, and Two, Milky Spore was "host Specific" infecting only Japanese Beetle grubs and nothing else. "Not even earthworms are affected," says Reuter, whose laboratory produces Milky Spore in the exact way developed by Dr. Dutky. "Milky Spore does not affect birds, bees, fish, other animals, plants or man," according to Reuter. "You could have it on your breakfast cereal ...its the safest material ever produced for insect control." In her 1950's book "Silent Spring," Rachel Carson mentioned Milky Spore as an antidote to chemical pesticides, which she warned, "would pollute and poison the earth."
U.S.D.A. produced Milky Spore in the 1950's and 1960's and spread it throughout the Washington, D.C. area including the grounds at the White House and Capitol Hill which are Beetle-free to this day. U.S.D.A. no longer makes Milky Spore but it is sold commercially by two U.S. companies, Reuter - St. Gabriel Laboratories in Gainesville, Virginia Tel 800 801-0061 and Fairfax Labs in Clinton Corners, New York. Efforts to produce Milky Spore in the test tube by other companies in recent years met with failure. "You've got to inject the Japanese Beetle Grubs with the original Dutky-serum to make it right," says Reuter, "Then you know its real viable material that will go on to control successive generations of larvae."
Mr. Reuter has appeared on 150 radio and television programs as a spokesman for the biological insect control industry. He is Director of St. Gabriel Laboratories, Gainesville, Virginia and past Chairman of the Biological Section of the Chemical Specialties Manufacturers Association in Washington, D.C.
FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, CONTACT TED SCOTT 703 754-1308
*Dr. Sam Dutky died in November, 1995 after a 40-year tenure at U.S.D.A.
THE MARVELOUS MILKY SPORE STORY
AS DEVELOPED BY U.S.D.A.
HOT SPRINGS, VA - Cold, wet weather this Spring in the Eastern United States may cause heavier than normal infestations of Popilla japonica, or Japanese Beetle. Not native to this Country, the Beetles arrived accidentally in a shipment of shrubbery from Korea, not Japan, in the 1930's and have caused millions of dollars in damage to ornamentals, fruit trees, and other plants ever since. "Some years the Beetles aren't too bad, but when weather conditions are right," says Theodore Reuter, Director of St. Gabriel Laboratories in Gainesville, Virginia, "The beetles can arrive in giant swarms eating everything in sight." Reuter's laboratory collects live Beetle larvae or grubs from throughout the Middle Atlantic States twice a year, in Spring and Fall. "The adult Beetle lays fifty eggs in Fall which quickly turn into grubs." "For every 1000 adult Beetles flying around your yard in the Summer, there may be 50,000 grubs forming in the lawn by Fall," according to Reuter, "and, the nicer one maintains his lawn, the more the Beetles are attracted to it." Grubs actually cause more damage than the flying adults by feeding on grass roots; and the roots of young trees and shrubs. Even the roots of flowers and flower bulbs fall prey to Beetle grubs.
In Hot Springs, Virginia, old-timers, including golf professional "Slam-min' Sammy Snead" remembers how bad the Beetles could get at the famous golf courses in the area. "The Beetles were so bad," says Sam, "They'd fly right in your face when you tried to hit the ball." Golf course managers said there were so many Beetle grubs in the ground chewing on the grass roots, they were able to roll back the sod like a giant toupee.
U.S.D.A. Researchers, after World War Two, initiated an attack on the Japanese Beetle in what is described as the first major effort to combat insect pests using a biological tool. At the U.S.D.A. facility in Greenbelt, Maryland, Dr. Sam Dutky made a startling discovery while studying some sick Japanese Beetles he had collected. A common spore, which he named Milky Disease, would cause a serious illness in Japanese Beetle larva, which he termed "The weakest link" in the Beetle's one year life cycle. The problem was the spore didn't occur naturally enough in great quantity in the field to stop the Beetle on its own. Over the next few years Dr. Dutky* developed a process of producing Milky Spore in the laboratory using the larvae themselves. "Each grub," he said, "Becomes a tiny little factory producing up to three billion Milky Spores inside themselves." Dutky would collect the Beetle larvae from turf farmers and other locations, bring them to his laboratory, clean and anesthetize them; then inoculate each grub with a tiny hypodermic needle containing One-300th of a c.c. of Milky Disease serum derived from the original sick Beetles. Grubs were then incubated and finally sacrificed to produce Milky Spore Powder and more Milky Spore Disease serum. The finished powder was then spread on lawns in concentrated "spots" to contaminate other Beetle grubs who in turn would perpetuate the disease. Milky Spore had two great properties. One, the material only had to be applied once to the soil where it would last for years continually multiplying on its own, and Two, Milky Spore was "host Specific" infecting only Japanese Beetle grubs and nothing else. "Not even earthworms are affected," says Reuter, whose laboratory produces Milky Spore in the exact way developed by Dr. Dutky. "Milky Spore does not affect birds, bees, fish, other animals, plants or man," according to Reuter. "You could have it on your breakfast cereal ...its the safest material ever produced for insect control." In her 1950's book "Silent Spring," Rachel Carson mentioned Milky Spore as an antidote to chemical pesticides, which she warned, "would pollute and poison the earth."
U.S.D.A. produced Milky Spore in the 1950's and 1960's and spread it throughout the Washington, D.C. area including the grounds at the White House and Capitol Hill which are Beetle-free to this day. U.S.D.A. no longer makes Milky Spore but it is sold commercially by two U.S. companies, Reuter - St. Gabriel Laboratories in Gainesville, Virginia Tel 800 801-0061 and Fairfax Labs in Clinton Corners, New York. Efforts to produce Milky Spore in the test tube by other companies in recent years met with failure. "You've got to inject the Japanese Beetle Grubs with the original Dutky-serum to make it right," says Reuter, "Then you know its real viable material that will go on to control successive generations of larvae."
Mr. Reuter has appeared on 150 radio and television programs as a spokesman for the biological insect control industry. He is Director of St. Gabriel Laboratories, Gainesville, Virginia and past Chairman of the Biological Section of the Chemical Specialties Manufacturers Association in Washington, D.C.
FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, CONTACT TED SCOTT 703 754-1308
*Dr. Sam Dutky died in November, 1995 after a 40-year tenure at U.S.D.A.
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I just read something similar just before .The grubs feed the moles so they come back with all there friends behind them .Moles are even worse on your plants because they will chew the roots of plants and the grubs chew the roots also .