Todd, my pond is about 12" above ground level, so I could do that, but I've always been worried about things besides the water draining out! Like baby fish or turtles, tadpoles, etc. How do you keep them from rushing out with the water, or do you simply not worry about it? I will have to drain some more this weekend, I'm sure, as I didn't take long enough to drain what needed to be drained the other night. I could do that drain thing easy enough, by simply lowering the liner in between two of the landscape stones that are used for the outside wall, and just let it trickle out! But, then that area would probably remain muddy, and that is where I will eventually have a sidewalk or something walking around the pond, so I really need to do something so that it will go into maybe a french drain or something similar. Hate to get off topic, but what are your thoughts? Remember, my property is pretty level, although there is some drop, and the lowest part of the wall (no, I didn't use a transit, so my wall is not totally level LOL) is on the skimmer end, and where I walk around to the bog.