lol thanks. I think I got the ok to build a new pond at my girlfriend's house. The 20k gal is astronomically expensive to run, so, i think i talked them into building a smaller, 100-200gal pond, perhaps a little bigger depending on how much backwork I want to put into it, lol. I'll try to get some pictures up of their dry pond here in the next few days, there's plenty of room to build a smaller one as well.