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hmmm stone goes a long way I picked up 6 of them and still have them in my pocket .I found what looks like green quartz in my yard when i was working today and going to put them to soak and see how green they really are .We get white with gold speckling but never green .When you are digging ecogirl you may want to keep your eye out as you never know what you might dig up ,hopefully not a body though
 
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I found another use for stone.... a bog filter! I'm planning on one 6'x11' x12" deep. That's about 30% surface coverage. I've read 1/2 volume cir per house = 1500 gph, think a 900gph pump is ok? the filter is way oversized so even at half pump volume, it'd still be plenty, flaw in my thinking?

It seems 1 cubic yard pea gravel is about 1.3 tons so I'm thinking i'll need 4 tons of pea gravel for the filter alone. I've ready some places say you need ONLY 3/8" pea...anyone use mixed size pea gravel 1/4" to 1" ? thoughts?
 

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I found another use for stone.... a bog filter! I'm planning on one 6'x11' x12" deep. That's about 30% surface coverage. I've read 1/2 volume cir per house = 1500 gph, think a 900gph pump is ok? the filter is way oversized so even at half pump volume, it'd still be plenty, flaw in my thinking?

It seems 1 cubic yard pea gravel is about 1.3 tons so I'm thinking i'll need 4 tons of pea gravel for the filter alone. I've ready some places say you need ONLY 3/8" pea...anyone use mixed size pea gravel 1/4" to 1" ? thoughts?

I run my approx 10k pond with a 4200 gph pump through our bog filter. I used the small pea gravel, you want a lot of surface area. Ours took around 28000 lbs, a nice big truck load.

Check out this thread to help with the bog build.

https://www.gardenpondforum.com/topic/6894-bog-building/
 
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thanks for the thread, makes me feel more confident about doing it. Seems like i'm about right since mine is 1/3 the size of yours and i have 1/4-1/3 the tons of pea gravel! yeah! I love when the calculations add up to real world experience.
 
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did anyone here do a underwater rock ledge as to cover up the liner? I hate the liner look;) Wondering if 6" deep enough or if 9" better....
 

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Those rock ledges really work nicely to hide the liner. I think mine is less than 6" deep but you could choose deeper if you want. Does not really matter.

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Its hard to see with the water turbulence, but that does look nice. Good to know you can get nice results with only 6" rocks (the smaller, the easier to carry!) My first pond i didn't do a rock ledge...I used flagstone rocks to try to hang over the water to cover it up but that didn't work everywhere and where you can see it, it looks really sloppy IMO.-especially under the waterfall!
 

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I did my edge like jw, I have around 3 inches of water over the liner, which has rocks stacked on it, up and out of the water. Hides the liner just fine.

This is when I was still working on the edge, the water is a little low, but you can see how the rocks sit on the edge, liner hidden

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Its hard to see with the water turbulence, but that does look nice. Good to know you can get nice results with only 6" rocks (the smaller, the easier to carry!) My first pond i didn't do a rock ledge...I used flagstone rocks to try to hang over the water to cover it up but that didn't work everywhere and where you can see it, it looks really sloppy IMO.-especially under the waterfall!

Oh wait................I meant my ledge is less than 6" down not the rocks are smaller than 6". Those rocks around my pond are bigger than 9" or some are bigger and some are smaller but not small like 6". Sorry for the mix-up.
And you say you are in Arlington, Wa.? I'm up in Arlington Heights not far from the fire station.
 

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Well now let me say one more thing...........Do you mean the width of the rocks or the height? Some of my rocks are 6" or less tall but width is bigger. Gee I hope I'm not confusing the heck out of ya!
 
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1) Digging Equipment An experienced operator should be able to dig that pond in way under a day depending on access. Normally the most economical machinery is the largest that can get in and out in about a hour. But an experienced mini excavator person can beat an inexpereinced backhoe person. How long will it take you? Don't know. A neighbor once rented a Bobcat to redo his yard. About 6 hours of everyone doing donuts, and maybe 12 extra hours repairing stuff that got ripped up by mistake.

One person on the excavator and one on a Bobcat moving the dirt is about the fastest.

Hammer drill works great but is a manual deal. I'm strange but I like digging by hand. Time to think and a good workout.


2) Bottom Drain
Bottom drains are really about O2 management. Debris uses O2 decomposing and high end Koi keepers want all O2 going to their fish. Plus many of those ponds are right on the O2 edge so O2 management is absolutely needed.

In a Water Garden O2 is rarely even close to being an issue. These kind of split the difference muck wise, some people being OK with it, some not. Most bottom drains I've seen or read about in Water Gardens weren't really bottom drains imo. A bottom drain to me has to have a way to flush debris to the drain, missing from many Water Gardens.

In Wildlife ponds muck on the bottom is as you described, a necessity. Here it is considered a bio filter while in other kinds of ponds it's considered toxic by most keepers.

Sounds like you want more of a Wildlife pond than a Koi pond so muck is good. You can even add muck to get a jump start.

3) Stones
I thought stone was cheap here, $4/ton for pea grave is unreal. 10 tons sounds about right, but of course it totally depends on the pond.

The different size rock does provide an instant perfect look. However, my personal choice is to mortar rock over the liner as a base even in a stream. A few loose rocks can be added as needed. The reason I prefer this is maintenance. Dog digging in the stream, no problem. Kids, no problem. Need to clean, less problem. Messing around with plants, less problem. And over time loose rock moves around and doesn't look as good as the first day. With the mortar I can get that natural look and have it stay in place.

I prefer mortared rock bottom for looks, protection, and easy cleaning. But I might not bother with that in a Wildlife pond and just do the sides. But that's just my tastes.

Can't wait for pictures of the dig.
 

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