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Recently I've noticed a darkening of my pond's water from clear to light green, green, now really dark green. I've treated the water with tetra pond algae control, but it has yet to show any real results, I've done this for a week by the way. This through is not the first time my pond has had a major algae bloom and last time the algae control worked. I'm considering draining my 300 gallon pond, but I feel that is a bit evasive. Any suggestions on how to clear my pond? I heard that salt is a good algae controller can anyone confirm this. Thanks.

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salt in order to kill alge would have to applyed in an amount that would also harm or kill your other plants. but does aid in slowing its developemen once its under control... have you considered a U.V clarifier, you wont have green water again. but using a U.V can mask other problems, like the high nutrients that caused the alge in the first place. green water is a natural occurance that comes with springtime untill your ponds balance and maturity is reached. patience will take care of it, but none of us like it. algecides also leave all that dead alge to feed the next cycle. i use a U.V myself for a week or so in the spring...i let my water start to green, then on with tyhe U.V it clears up the water in a few days crystal clear,i run it a few axtra days and then its job is done for the summer. but i winter my fish in a basement pond so my filters media is active when it goes in the outside ponds filter, so i dont have to wait for my filter to mature. my fish are going outside today, i think and ive already let the pond green up and my U.V is already offline and put away. so if you go with a U.V. make sure you keep up with your water changes and testing especially if your newer to ponds.
 
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Philanthropist said:
Recently I've noticed a darkening of my pond's water from clear to light green, green, now really dark green. I've treated the water with tetra pond algae control, but it has yet to show any real results, I've done this for a week by the way. This through is not the first time my pond has had a major algae bloom and last time the algae control worked. I'm considering draining my 300 gallon pond, but I feel that is a bit evasive. Any suggestions on how to clear my pond? I heard that salt is a good algae controller can anyone confirm this. Thanks.

-Philly

Just realized Koi Guy answered this already. Must have started my reply right after he sent his. - I'll put in my 2 cents anyway, but Koiguy definately has more experience with ponds.

What the heck I'll take a stab at it. I must first warn you I don't even have a pond yet. I do however have experience with heavily planted tropical fish tanks. While I know and have been warned not to treat the pond like an aquarium, at the end of the day causes for algae in fish tanks and ponds are the same. So here goes-

To keep green water algae to a minimum you have to fight it like a fire. To fight a fire you need to remove one of the 3 key elements that makes one start or burn. Those elements are similar to algaes 3 key elements. 1) Oxygen = Oxygen of course these 2 are the same. 2) Ignition = Daylight or sunlight. 3) Fuel = excess nutrients in your ponds water.

Well for #1 you need O2 for the fish and bacteria to live so you can't remove that. #2 You can try to shade your pond with trees or some type of screening. You could even cover your pond completely for an extended period of time with a tarp. This is called a "black out". It is somewhat effective but who wants to cover up their pond? I hate this method. So last but not least #3 Fuel - exscess nutrients. Well I've learned that this ain't as easy as it sounds. But you have to do the best you can. You need to do your weekly or every few days of water changes. Does this always work? Hell no I say. But if you are not doing routine Partial Water Changes (PWC) then this is step one. Dilute the nutrients with fresh water. Less nutrients = less algae. Here's the catch - What if your water supply is part of the problem? Sometimes you are actually adding nutrients to the water. Private well water and municipal supplied water may have up to the "legal limit" of nutrients already in the water. There can be Phosphate, Nitrates, and Ammonia (a form of nitrogen algae uses as food) not to mention other "good stuff". Fish also need Phosphorus in their diets. I can't think of one commercial fish food that doesn't have it. So excess rotting fish food, fish waste and possible added nutrients from your water source + daylight + oxygen = pond water that looks like Mountain Dew.

Phil - Assuming you are right on top of PWC's and routine maintenance weekly, you have a few options, one you have already tried. the algecide. Everyone hates resorting to it because we all know it has other ill effects. I refuse to use these products myself. Let's put that off the table.


1) Removing the green from the water with a polish filter. This can be done inexpesively, especially if you have an extra pump laying around or you can plumb it directly into your existing plumbing with a by-pass. It is just an ordinary "Whole House" sediment water filter you can get at Home Depot. A 5-20 micron sediment filter cartridge is perfect. You run your pond water through this and it will be crystal clear. The filter is not intended to be run continuously as it will eventually clog. Use it as needed.

2) UV "filtration" - It works from what I've heard and is probably one of the best options for a pond because of a ponds size. I have never used it but I know it is a reliable alternative.

3) RO/DI filter - Reverse Osmosis Deionized water. For smaller ponds like yours, 300G, you can get an RO/DI filter. The down side(s) are initial cost, installation, storing the water until ready for use. for you it would take about 1 day to produce enough water for a 25% PWC. The upsides - you can also plumb the filter to a sink in the house. The water is good to drink because it is almost pure, no more buying Spring Water unless you just drink your tap water of course. . You will have 7.0 pH replacement water with no harmful contaminates. You control what elements are in your water. There is an additive you can buy for treating RO/DI water for fish keepers. You add the proper elemnets at optimum levels. Other then rainfall or run off you will eventually have "perfect" pond water.
 
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koikeepr said:
Get a UV light. Your green water worries will disappear in 2 or 3 days.

:lol: Perfect answer to the question. I wish I could just stop myself sometimes before I get long winded. I actually tripped getting down off the soap box. :fish:
 
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Squid, I do think your response has a heap of validity AND helpful information that helps educate people on why things like green water happen. I know that many of us are interested in this type of information. I would hope that you can keep responding as you have been, as we want to throw as many knowledgeable ideas out there.

For one, you are offering alternatives to a UV, which is important in itself.

Rock on, dude!
 
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koikeepr said:
Squid, I do think your response has a heap of validity AND helpful information that helps educate people on why things like green water happen. I know that many of us are interested in this type of information. I would hope that you can keep responding as you have been, as we want to throw as many knowledgeable ideas out there.

For one, you are offering alternatives to a UV, which is important in itself.

Rock on, dude!

Thanks for the kind words. I just read some of my own replies sometimes and I sound like a real blowhard:lol: It wont stop me from doing it again and again, I just crack myself up I guess.
 

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you do have to remember that a uv only makes the green water thicker so it will pick up in your filter ,it doesnt get rid of geen water so you need some kind of fines filtering in the filter too
 
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UV's don't thicken your water, strop. The algae will clump together after it is killed (but it's still small microns so you don't notice a thickness, per se), and typically a normal filter can take care of it. A fines filter for a day or two, like a pillow cover or cotton batting certainly would be a plus, but usually it's not necessary. It is depenedent on the level of algae, for sure.

But if you have pea soup, that's another matter and fines are critical.
 
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i can attest that adding a UV will clear it up, or atleast get rid of the pea green, i have pea green water for about 3-4 weeks, bought a uv and the green water went away in about a week, i dont haev crystal clear water yet, but i can see about 1 foot down which is alot better then looking at green water all day long.
 
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Ditto on the kudos for Squid, Koikeeper. Keep it up Squid, I really enjoyed reading your post. Can you elaborate on the "whole house" sediment water filter? Do you have one brand in particular that you have seen adapted to an outdoor pond. I use a 2 inch flexpipe running from skiimer to UV to Filter/falls. Always interested in new techniques.
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Big Red said:
Ditto on the kudos for Squid, Koikeeper. Keep it up Squid, I really enjoyed reading your post. Can you elaborate on the "whole house" sediment water filter? Do you have one brand in particular that you have seen adapted to an outdoor pond. I use a 2 inch flexpipe running from skiimer to UV to Filter/falls. Always interested in new techniques.
Thanks.
BR
Maybe I'll do a DIY when I put one together. I am not sure how I am going to utilize one yet but My hole in the ground which is eventually going to be a pond is flooded from the recent storm. I will need to pump it out. I also have to change my RO/DI pre-filters which also use micron filters. Maybe I'll slap one together real quick and pump out a little of my red-brown clay silt water and post some pics, We'll see.

There are a lot of variables doing this. It depends on you particular set up. After thinking about running this in-line with the plumbing, it would depend on your pump if you could do it or not. The filter housings are typically 3/4" or 1" inlets. "Most" pumps can be reduced on the output side. Some may not be able to do this. You will also add a little head loss if you install a by-pass. Well what you do is set up a by-pass with cut off valves after the pump before your return. You divert water to the filter then back to the return pipe. Some of these filters have a by-pass on them already which makes things easier if you have a 3/4" or 1" return. Anyway, the filter is just a simple 10" or 20" filter cartridge housing. They are available at Home Depot's and similar stores, aquarium supplies, eBay etc. Here is an inexpensive one from Lowes http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay...339&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=sim&rel=nofollow

here is the filters I would use in it.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_149008-59019-WHKF-WHPL_0_?productId=1137159&Ntt=water filter&Ntk=i_products&Ns=p_product_price|1&pl=1&currentURL=/pl__0__s?Ntk=i_products$pageNumber=1$rpp=15$No=75$Ntt=water filter$Ns=p_product_price|1$identifier=$currentPage=6$totalPages=9

Another option would be a "filter sock" that reef keepers sometimes use on the intake of their sump filters. It could be placed around the output end of you return pipe, if thats possible. Like in a waterfall weir.


http://cgi.ebay.com/7-Filter-Sock-2...tem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335af53b7c

You could also DIY your own housing using 4" PVC and just use the filter media catridges or the sock. It all depends on your capabilities and your toolbox.
 
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I have had great experiences with UV light. I run mine all the time and my pond is is DIRECT sunlight. With a few plants in place it really helps with the green water. But, I am not the prefessional pond person that can give all the technical lingo - Just learned by trial and error. (plus asking alot of questions)
Good luck!
 
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I live in South Texas, so algae is a big problem here. My pond was solid pea soup for the entire first year. I used different filters, algaecide, even the UV light and nothing helped. Finally last year I got a cheap gazebo type tent from Walmart and put it over my pond. Within 3 days the algae was gone and my pond was crystal clear. It has stayed crystal clear for over a year now and the tent is gone and it is still staying clear. All I have is the skippy filter running it now. So I would save the time and money and just put a cover over it for awhile until all the algae dies. Like I said, mine only took 3 days.
 
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it's a good point butterfly. If you have your pond in a spot where it receives non-stop sun and a UV is not working, you do need to build a pergola or some kind of sun sail of cover to get it out of the rays.
 

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