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I am ok with algae. Actually my pool is full of algae now. If I bring in plants now, will they clear up the algae (at least to a degree that one can swim in safely)?
More then likely your pool at this time is NOT a healthy environment Left alone pools neglected and stagnant can be a very bad place. Mosquito haven for one.

You can change over a chlorine pool to a natural swim pond without destroying your now set up . but you will need to build a bog. this can be done to one end or along one side of the pool by building a raised bog like a 2 or 3 foot tall retaining wall and underlayment rubber liner and,2" pvc pipe and 3/8" pea stone. run the rubber so that all the water runs back into the pond and have to pools ump push the water back into the bog. it upflows into the bog and out a water fall back into the pool. whats better then that HOWEVER you will have algae growing on the rocks and or pool wall,.
 
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If I were to be in your situation, first do all the research on what you want and how to achieve it. You want a chemical free pool. Start by testing the water. Then treat as needed for chemicals present. We recommend the API pond test kit. This will tell you if you have any chlorine remaining, ammonia, etc. If the pool hasn’t been tended in a while, expect ammonia, nitrite, nitrate. That will be from fallen leaves, bugs, and what ever nature blew in. Then, if you have decided that yes, you want to try to make it a pond, research the bog filter. There are threads on here about it. Plan to dedicate a large area to it, and possibly a decent chunk of change, as you will need a strong pump, pipes, ( if above ground, a liner, some form of frame,) and pea gravel. Ideally, you want 1/3 of the surface area of the pool/ pond, and about a foot deep, but others have found success with different ratios, and if you don’t have fish, you could possibly go smaller. For me the first step if the pond was not maintained would be a basic cleaning. Net out and debris, run what ever pump it had, with filter, till the water had no more obvious particles in it, just algae, and didn’t stink of stagnant water. If you have been maintaining it, but are just tired of green water, skip that step. Then buy a pond pump. The ideal rate is to turn the water volume over 1 1/2 times per hour, but that’s for a fish pond, so you decide how much you are willing to spend, and find a good pump that you can work with. For sure go for one that is more than 1000gph, that’s gallons per hour. Let that run just for water movement, and build your bog. Be sure to rinse the gravel well prior to filling the bog, but expect some dirt to end up in the pool. Then once the bog is plumbed, filled, and ready, run it a while with out plants just to see how the water flows. This will show you areas that may not be level, or need a bit of tweaking to get right. Then add plants, and do your research on them. Canna lilies, elephant ears, taro, iris, mint, creeping Jenny, cardinal flowers, various edible plants. I would use my bog as a garden, beautiful and with food, so I can hop out of the pool, and gather garden fresh veggies for a salad or meal and enjoy the flowers at the same time. Now, to supply the nutrients that they will be lacking from the lack of fish, there are various plant root tabs designed for water lilies and lotuses. Or you can decide if fish in the pool are right for you. If you just want beautiful fish, big and colorful, consider shubinkin. They are the calico looking goldfish with long flowing fins, they reach about a foot long Not including tail at adulthood. If you prefer more solid colors, comet goldfish have the same long fins but come in orange, reddish orange, white, or bi colored. The small ones with black on them usually loose the black. Common goldfish come in the same colors but lack the flowing fins. There are other fish options out there. As you are in a typically warm area, research what your low temps are and find fish that can take that weather. Now in high summer, you’ll need floating plants to provide shade, and if you string together pool noodles, you can use that to coral the floaters together for when you choose to swim. You mentioned having kids? If they are younger, I wouldn’t spend much money on fish or in pond plants just yet. Kids enjoy splashing and jumping in, which could damage plants or hurt fish, definitely scare fish. So unless you are blessed with the rare kids who don’t splash around, don’t jump in, want to do belly flips and cannon balls, or other such activities, I would hold off on those. Calmer teens who understand fish like calm, waterlillies like calm water, and are content to just swim peacefully, then try out a few fish. Start small there if/ when you do, like 5 fish ( if goldfish) to let nature grow the beneficial bacteria needed to break down their waste. That becomes plant food after various bacteria break it down. Just remember fish need fed, and pick healthy fish to start with. After that, quarantine new fish in a separate container of water for about a month to observe them for illness or parasites. This lets you treat just the newest batch of fish in a smaller container if it’s needed. If you later add new plants in the pond, there are dips you can do to remove any external parasites, but leaving them in a quarantine container at least for a week let’s you observe them for any creepy crawlers or hitch hikers such as fish eggs that then become unexpected fish.
As for how many fish to get ( if you do) remember that they are living animals, and if you have any male/ female mixing, you’ll have babies. Goldfish can have lots of babies. As in, hundreds. And koi are just bigger, more expensive, more sensitive, goldfish.
 
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I only filter with a bog type filter which is pea gravel and plants. You could make one in your pool and or outside of you pool.


The pump you need is based on the amount of water in your pond. My bog filter is big I turn over my pond water about every two hours.
Thank you for the link. I am reading your thread on how to build a bog. I am thinking of going for the partition bog, but not sure if it should be raised or in the pool (I just want one with minimum amount of extra work :p). Below is the picture of my pool (forgive my poor drawing):
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The pool has about 20000 gallons of water, so I guess I need a strong pump.
 
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If I were to be in your situation, first do all the research on what you want and how to achieve it. You want a chemical free pool. Start by testing the water. Then treat as needed for chemicals present. We recommend the API pond test kit. This will tell you if you have any chlorine remaining, ammonia, etc. If the pool hasn’t been tended in a while, expect ammonia, nitrite, nitrate. That will be from fallen leaves, bugs, and what ever nature blew in. Then, if you have decided that yes, you want to try to make it a pond, research the bog filter. There are threads on here about it. Plan to dedicate a large area to it, and possibly a decent chunk of change, as you will need a strong pump, pipes, ( if above ground, a liner, some form of frame,) and pea gravel. Ideally, you want 1/3 of the surface area of the pool/ pond, and about a foot deep, but others have found success with different ratios, and if you don’t have fish, you could possibly go smaller. For me the first step if the pond was not maintained would be a basic cleaning. Net out and debris, run what ever pump it had, with filter, till the water had no more obvious particles in it, just algae, and didn’t stink of stagnant water. If you have been maintaining it, but are just tired of green water, skip that step. Then buy a pond pump. The ideal rate is to turn the water volume over 1 1/2 times per hour, but that’s for a fish pond, so you decide how much you are willing to spend, and find a good pump that you can work with. For sure go for one that is more than 1000gph, that’s gallons per hour. Let that run just for water movement, and build your bog. Be sure to rinse the gravel well prior to filling the bog, but expect some dirt to end up in the pool. Then once the bog is plumbed, filled, and ready, run it a while with out plants just to see how the water flows. This will show you areas that may not be level, or need a bit of tweaking to get right. Then add plants, and do your research on them. Canna lilies, elephant ears, taro, iris, mint, creeping Jenny, cardinal flowers, various edible plants. I would use my bog as a garden, beautiful and with food, so I can hop out of the pool, and gather garden fresh veggies for a salad or meal and enjoy the flowers at the same time. Now, to supply the nutrients that they will be lacking from the lack of fish, there are various plant root tabs designed for water lilies and lotuses. Or you can decide if fish in the pool are right for you. If you just want beautiful fish, big and colorful, consider shubinkin. They are the calico looking goldfish with long flowing fins, they reach about a foot long Not including tail at adulthood. If you prefer more solid colors, comet goldfish have the same long fins but come in orange, reddish orange, white, or bi colored. The small ones with black on them usually loose the black. Common goldfish come in the same colors but lack the flowing fins. There are other fish options out there. As you are in a typically warm area, research what your low temps are and find fish that can take that weather. Now in high summer, you’ll need floating plants to provide shade, and if you string together pool noodles, you can use that to coral the floaters together for when you choose to swim. You mentioned having kids? If they are younger, I wouldn’t spend much money on fish or in pond plants just yet. Kids enjoy splashing and jumping in, which could damage plants or hurt fish, definitely scare fish. So unless you are blessed with the rare kids who don’t splash around, don’t jump in, want to do belly flips and cannon balls, or other such activities, I would hold off on those. Calmer teens who understand fish like calm, waterlillies like calm water, and are content to just swim peacefully, then try out a few fish. Start small there if/ when you do, like 5 fish ( if goldfish) to let nature grow the beneficial bacteria needed to break down their waste. That becomes plant food after various bacteria break it down. Just remember fish need fed, and pick healthy fish to start with. After that, quarantine new fish in a separate container of water for about a month to observe them for illness or parasites. This lets you treat just the newest batch of fish in a smaller container if it’s needed. If you later add new plants in the pond, there are dips you can do to remove any external parasites, but leaving them in a quarantine container at least for a week let’s you observe them for any creepy crawlers or hitch hikers such as fish eggs that then become unexpected fish.
As for how many fish to get ( if you do) remember that they are living animals, and if you have any male/ female mixing, you’ll have babies. Goldfish can have lots of babies. As in, hundreds. And koi are just bigger, more expensive, more sensitive, goldfish.
Thank you very much for the detailed instructions! I am working on the basic cleaning with the pool pump and filter as the first step, while researching how to build a bog. I am still not clear how to build a separation between the pool and bog in the concrete pool. For pond pump, I read some recommendations for laguna submersible pump, but if my pool has about 20000 gallon water, I don't see any model that can turn it over 1 time per hour.
 
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Thank you very much for the detailed instructions! I am working on the basic cleaning with the pool pump and filter as the first step, while researching how to build a bog. I am still not clear how to build a separation between the pool and bog in the concrete pool. For pond pump, I read some recommendations for laguna submersible pump, but if my pool has about 20000 gallon water, I don't see any model that can turn it over 1 time per hour.
I'd opt for more pumps than just one. If one goes out, you still have the other(s) to give you flow and aeration. So, look for something that can do half or even a third of your volume and multiply for the number of pumps you might need.

Re bog INSIDE your pool; were it mine, I'd create a wall inside your pool and line it. This wall should have some protection against the bottom liner if you have one, or if your pool is all concrete, you probably don't need it. The liner will separate the water inside the bog from your pool. You'd pump water to the bottom of your bog and then let it rise up through the various levels of gravel/rock. I'd make sure this bog section is higher than your pool so the overflow will provide a waterfall effect, which adds to your aeration.

Re fish; as noted above, shubunkin are both colorful and easily managed, and not nearly as expensive as koi. For the most part, you'll not even have to feed them as they'll get sustenance from the algae growing on your pool surfaces as well as any insects that fall/live in the water. That then will provide sustenace for your bog and in turn, help keep the water clear. It's the free floating algae you want to minimize as it's the one people don't like but fish don't mind.
 

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For pond pump, I read some recommendations for laguna submersible pump, but if my pool has about 20000 gallon water, I don't see any model that can turn it over 1 time per hour.
I don't turn mine over every hour, maybe every two hours and it does fine. I prefer external pumps, to me less messing with prefilters etc.

I have shubunkins, they get fed occasionally, I seldom feed them, and they are all fat and sassy. They have great colors. A lot less fussy than koi, demand less filtration etc.
 

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Hello everyone, I'm a complete newbie here. Tried to do some search of how to convert swimming pool to natural pool/pond here, but did not see one in the same situation. Anyway, I have a swimming pool (used to be chlorinated, but haven't maintained or added any chemicals for over a year now). The water has turned green with lots of algae. The size is about 18ftx24ft with about 6ft depth, and it's made of concrete and lined with tiles. It has pool pump and vacuum. There are a 18x5 area with 5in depth, and a few steps of 2ft or 4ft depth in the four corners.

Now I don't want to add any more chemicals to the water (kids and myself are very sensitive to chemicals). I want to convert it to a natural pond. If we can still swim in it that would be fantastic. But I don't know how to get started. Should I start with cleaning the algae manually? Then bring in the plants? Should I add pea gravels or sand bags to build a plant area? Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you!
Thank you very much for the detailed instructions! I am working on the basic cleaning with the pool pump and filter as the first step, while researching how to build a bog. I am still not clear how to build a separation between the pool and bog in the concrete pool. For pond pump, I read some recommendations for laguna submersible pump, but if my pool has about 20000 gallon water, I don't see any model that can turn it over 1 time per hour.
take it slowly get the pump and a mechanical filtration system working now and work on the bog if needed a few months from now. if you do not want fish that is ok add nutrients to the water for the plants. i have read about natural swim ponds and all agree do not have fish in a swim pond.
 
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To the OP; you already have in place pump, skimmer, etc. so what you need to do is decide where to locate the bog, and plumb to it.
You may or may not want to drain depending on where the bog will be located, (inside the existing pool, or outside). If there is room, I'd install it outside, and above by about 1.5'. That will give about 18" depth, about 16" of gravel, and a good drop to the pool water for a nice waterfall return. If you opt for the external bog, you shouldn't need to drain the pool, and water should clear up, as the plants start their work. As noted above rule of thumb is bog surface area = 30% surface area of pool/pond. Bigger may be better, and sometimes you can get away with smaller. As to shape, it can be any shape you want or need. It can be round, long and skinny, or short and fat, or square. it can be 3' x 20', or 7.5' x 7.5. Or any size and shape that you need. ;)
 
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The larger the pool the less important that you MUST TURN THE WATER OVER 1 or 2 times and hour. So long as you build a large enough bog. Now I don't know what your pool area looks like and if you have the room for a exterior bog. if you have full sun for the bog or part shade exc. Bogs are not the cheapest things to build or the least amount of work in the building of. But once they are built corectly and running you can't beat them. the more organics in the water the better your bog will thrive. I like many here who have a bog can totally disturb the bog or plants in the pond/pool make it so murky you can't see 6" but give the bog a couple hours and you'll be able to see down 6' again such as my bog and give it 12 hours and the water is crystal clear again.
 
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i have read about natural swim ponds and all agree do not have fish in a swim pond.
Popy cock if you have no organics in the water column your plants will not do so well. if you are thriving for a mountain stream where there is no or as minimal algae as possible then maybe. i swim in my pond all the time yes the rocks have a peach fuzz of them just like any pond.
 
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Please do post pictures of the pool area, and we will have a better idea of where / how you can work a bog in. I personally prefer external bog that waterfalls back in; this will not take up any of your swim area, will create a lovely water feature, and allows you to not need to drain the pool in order to build it.
Start by measuring your pool. If it’s say 15 ft by 10 ft, ( length and width), you’ll try for a bog that is 1/3 that total number. 15x10=150/3=50 square feet of bog. That could be a 5ft wide bog along the deep end of the pool, or it could even be built like 2ft wide planter boxes along most of the pool with areas to allow folks in and out along the shallow end and common entrance/ exit points. I like that idea, but only if you have enough outlets and space for each section to have its own pump. I’m not savvy enough to be able to think on how to run plumbing to make it work for all the sections to be on just one pump.
You say your pool is around 20,000 gallons. Can you find out what your pool pump moved per hour? And possibly keep using that pump, for water circulation, just add one or two dedicated pumps for the bog(s).
As I mentioned, but others seem to forget, if your kids are still young and energetic, please hold off on adding fish. There are multiple alternative options to feed the plants that won’t end up harming fish or causing kids to freak out if “Nemo” is found dead after a rambunctious pool party. You haven’t said if they are younger or in their teens. I would consider talking to the kids if they are all 12+, responsible ( or as responsible as kids that age can be) and if they enjoy fish/ nature. If they are, discussing the options of fish and what that limits/ the repricusions of what might happen , are things you as a parent and they as developing individuals should cover prior to getting any fish. In nature, fish can flee far away from loud noises, and the natural dirt/ mud banks absorb sound waves better than concrete and tile. In a pool, the jumping and splashing could frighten fish to a point that they refuse to come out of their chosen hiding spot, or even end up dead.
 
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One other thing to think about is if you plan on swimming in it bugs like toe biters will be there as well. If ducks come to your pond i wouldn't even step foot in it, they carry a parasite that gives you a bad rash.
 
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POPPY COCK . What do you think you do every time you step in a pond or any fresh water body of water ? Its far healthier to take a swim in a well balanced pond LOADED with Bacteria then to take a dip in a pool of chemicals that are designed to kill living organisms.
 

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