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I was trying so hard to avoid covering the pond, but if I must do so temporarily, then I must. Did I mention... THANK YOU!
Unfortunately you do need to cover and bee space is around 1/4 inch, you need the covering to be the size of 1/8 holes, ow they will go through it. They are persistent!
The way you can tell they have changed their watering hole, watch your covered pond, you will see less and less bees coming for a visit.

We made the mistake of bringing a hive box, with a bit of honey in it around to our driveway, well all house doors usually go out to the driveway. Well we looked out saw bees zooming past the window, went out the door , came right back in.
We removed it that night, sprayed the driveway down with water to make sure no drips remained. They flew back for around 3-4 days looking for that box.
\With your pond they will still smell the water but not be able to reach it.

We had a drop of honey on the door handle, finally figured out why the bees were visiting our door!
 

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Door screening is the type of hole size you need.

We use #8 hardware cloth when we make screening we do not want the bees to go through.
 
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Well thanks for all the @addy's! I will tell you my thoughts, may or may not work, but should based on how my bees have acted.

You need to break their habit. They have communicated to all the bees in the hives, that this is the place to drink from. To break the habit you need to make the water not accessible to the bees, a netting (fine so they can't get though, shade cloth, burlap etc.) Leave it for 4-5 days, maybe longer (it will take some time with that many hives of bees).

While they are learning that there is no water source there, give them an alternative source. My bees do not drink from my pond. Maybe once in a great while I will see one a lily pad.

They do drink from the small slow flowing ponds, which I allow algae, string algae, plants to over crowd. They do drink from my deck pond, which has a ton of plants and only flows a few times a day with the big pump, circulates with a small pump. They love my streams small ponds full of aracharnis. They use it to land and drink.

The other place they love to drink from, if you prefer not to have a stagnant pool of water sitting around, fill a tub with some pea gravel and water put in plants, creeping jenny, grab some algae if you have it, fill with pond water, they love smelly water btw. Keep the water level just at pea gravel height. A good way to do this is to put in a liter bottle full of water upside down, it will drain out as the water level changes in the gravel.

Once they learn that here is good water to drink safe, easy to reach, they will fly back do the wiggle dance and tell all the other bees drink here. Put this tub as close as possible to the hives, watch the flight path ,of the bees, that will tell you the best place to put it.

I have some stuff I put in their sugar water that drives them crazy, it smells great, pm me your address I can send you a few ounces. Too expensive to have you buy a whole bottle. BTW we add vinegar to their sugar patties that I make for them, they inhale in the winter. I don't think they do not like the smell of vinegar.

Vanilla, lemon grass oil (is used to try and catch a swarm they love it)

Once they start visiting the new water source then uncover your pond. Thinking on it I would leave it covered for around a week, if it was mine. Sucks but it will change their drinking hole.

Oh and another choice, go buy some cheap honey, at their new watering hole sprinkle a little on the pea gravel edge of the new drinking tub etc. They can smell a drop of honey from far far away, it is unreal how that attracts them. If you belong to costco they carry honey real cheap, you could even dilute it. They will come there to eat it and also start coming to drink, wiggle dance with all the other bees come here.



Really sucks that bee keeper won't do anything to help, it is so easy, a tub of water with a small pump and they would drink there. The pump just to keep it fresh.
Thanx for the info @addy it was extremely interesting to read and your generosity to C-Note "outstanding" , I too have a question .
Propolis is a by product of the hive and is what keeps it healthy .
How do you set about collecting it , I know at that stage its not in the Liquid form we use with our koi but what do you do with it all give it away ?
How would you turn it into liquid form ?
Perhaps you could supply some of the members your side of the pond with it so that their fish can benefit from its health giving qualities :happy:

Dave
 

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It is the sticky stuff they cover any tiny holes with, stick the frames to the hive boxes with, stick each hive box to the next hive box with it. We have to use hive tools to work them apart.
In saying that, the only way to collect it would be to take a hive tool and try and scrape it off. I think I read somewhere cold weather is the time to remove. It stiffens up.
In the hive bodies you would not want to remove it, at least I don't. The bees work hard to put it there. In the honey supers I could scrape some off, but might only get a few ounces of it.
They do have propolis traps
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you put it where the inner cover is and the bees fill in the holes with propolis. Takes one to five weeks for them to load it up. In a quick read fall is the best time, they do a lot of propolis to get ready for winter. Take it off, freeze it and twist. The stuff is brittle when cold. Like taffy when warm. i have not looked into traps, collecting or trying to sale the stuff.

per the net: using grain alcohol or everclear for internal use

Propolis Extract Procedure
1. Collect propolis from the bee hive. The propolis should be clean and free of wax, paint, wood etc. The propolis should be in small pieces. The smaller the better but no larger than a marble.
2. Determine the percentage propolis you want to extract. It is not recommended that concentrations higher than 30% be extracted. If you require a higher percentage, make a 30% extract and concentrate it as described below.
3. Place the proper amount of alcohol and propolis (see chart below) into a container and seal the top. Shake and store in a warm dark place. I put it in a brown bag on the counter.
4. Two or three times per day shake the container and return to warm dark place. Continue this for 2 weeks.
5. Filter the liquid through a coffee filter. The liquid is now ready for use.
 
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Door screening is the type of hole size you need.

We use #8 hardware cloth when we make screening we do not want the bees to go through.

That is exactly what we ended up using. Built a frame in order to cover the waterfalls and all. Secured the screen with a million or so staples. I'm watching the very confused bees now from my camera while at the office. It's working! Now, hopefully they discover the new water source. I added vanilla to entice them. Here are pictures of the new rigging being built. I'll admit, it depresses me to see the pond covered. But since it only needs to be in place for a week, I'll get by. I am ever so appreciative of all the help and advice, especially from our own bee expert, @addy1 ! This forum is THE BEST! Both in times of need and when things are rolling along smoothly.

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The good news is your pond construction makes it relatively easy to cover. Fingers crossed!
Right? My modern taste paid off this time! Sometimes I get really jealous of those natural looking ponds, but my square-edged design is great for preventing heron and raccoon issues, and now for easy covering!
 

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My pond would be impossible to cover, hard enough to cover just to keep herons out let alone bees. I was down there working on the lilies, I saw no bees in the big pond, a whole bunch in the bog and small pond.

Be very patient, you will know when they have found the new source, you will see a lot of bees there, and none flying to your pond. Even after a week if you still see them give it more time.

Keep the supplies you may need to do the same next spring. But with a good smelly source you made they may totally skip the pond.

When you go into the hive we see bees touching a bee doing the dance telling them where to go and get food water sap whatever. Also see circles of bees touching each other , they have such a neat complex life.
 
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They really are fascinating creatures, @addy1 . Once I get past my current frustrations, I will go back to loving bees, I promise! :kiss:
 

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