All in one pumps

[Raelene]

I will be putting in a two tiered pond. Preformed liners. Not sure of exact gallons as they are irregular shaped and hard to measure accurately. If I had to guess, about 800-1000 gallons.

I am wondering if there is a pump which includes proper filtration as well as small water fall attachments. Looking for something submersible. Basically a kit that does everything ( pump , filter, waterfall) I have a tear drop aeration pump as well. Not looking to spend a fortune. Any ideas?

I'm seeing some kits but they all include a liner ( which I don't want or need) and do not include tubing?

The choices out there are overwhelming!
Any input would be great

Also should the pump go in the upper ( smaller) pond or the bottom ( larger) pond. Will be adding fish to lower pond.

Thank you
Raelene

 

[HTH]

Ponds can be a lot of work at times and often require a good deal of patience. You seem to be looking for all the shortcuts (I could be wrong) so perhaps you should rethink this. Maybe you would be happier without a pond.

 

[Raelene]

If I would be happier without one, then I suppose I wouldn't be putting one in?
No what I'm looking for is an affordable option and variety of pumps. If you don't have helpful advice then I suggest you don't comment maybe?

I am new to this forum and thought I would get some helpful advice here but maybe I was wrong! Thank you for the kind welcome!!!!
I'll look for a friendlier forum...

 

[sissy]

You could put in a pump with the foam filters on top but will have to clean them often .They are not really cheap though .How many gallons are your preforms as that will help .There are several kinds of submerged filters .I have one in my stock tank .Pet mountain.com and amazon.com has lots of options with my preformed pond I had my pump in the middle in a flower pot with lava rock around it and jw has a bucket with her pump in it with filter stuff around it .I bought the little rectangular filter boxes and they had bio balls and filter foam and you just put your pump inside and a fountain head on top .All you would see is the black box .Thats the kind I use in my stock tanks one tank is 150 gallons and the other one is 250 gallons but all I use them for is to grow more plants
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[ididntdoit99]

if you are looking for economical filtration, check out the DIY section here, many people build their own filtration systems for cheap. As far as a pump with a filter attached, many have a foam prefilter so that the pump doesn't suck up debris, but you wouldn't want that to be your only filter as you would be cleaning it out every day.

 

[Raelene]

Thank you. I have no issue buying pump and filter separately just wasn't sure if I was missing something. And to find out later I could buy it all in one unit. I'm not sure on the actual gallons since I bought it from someone else and he didn't know either. I can get a rough idea through measurements. Don't want to get rooked by these pond stores ( knowledge is power

Howardthehumble-- after raising three kids, my cat is now 17 and two large indoor dogs and grandpa lives here as well, all with a weekend husband....... I think my patience is GOOD TO GO!

 

[sissy]

You can google preformed ponds and measure yours and find the size closest to yours and look at the gallons for that one .

 

[Raelene]

I will try that thank you

 

[HTH]

If I would be happier without one, then I suppose I wouldn't be putting one in?
No what I'm looking for is an affordable option and variety of pumps. If you don't have helpful advice then I suggest you don't comment maybe?

I am new to this forum and thought I would get some helpful advice here but maybe I was wrong! Thank you for the kind welcome!!!!
I'll look for a friendlier forum...

Wow I did not see that coming! I did say "I could be wrong" but you choose to lash out just the same.

It was helpful advice. Some people don't have a clue as to what they are getting into. They enamored with the idea of having a pond but end up removing it within a year or two. Based on your questions you could have been one of these people.

All in one setups often equate to junk. Even if one bit of it is weak it make the entire setup bad.

 

[dieselplower]

ff Wow I did not see that coming! I did say "I could be wrong" but you choose to lash out just the same.

It was helpful advice. Some people don't have a clue as to what they are getting into. They enamored with the idea of having a pond but end up removing it within a year or two. Based on your questions you could have been one of these people.

All in one setups often equate to junk. Even if one bit of it is weak it make the entire setup bad.

Lol come on... You do have a lot of good info but even I was put off by your first post.

Anyway, a lot of people say you want turn over a pond at least once an hour. More if its smaller. They also say your filter should be about 10% of the volume of the pond. I have found an in pond pump with built in UV clarifier pumping into a large container filled with gravel and plants, and then overflowing into the pond, is a good combo.

 

[Shdwdrgn]

I'll throw in my 2-cents about staying away from the all-in-one models... As mentioned already, you need a filter size about 10% of the pond volume, which means a submersible filter is out of the question. Also, what kind of lifetime are you expecting to get out of the components? What happens if the manufacturer goes out of business and you can no longer get replacement parts?

Like others, I used plastic barrels and made my own filters. A filter is nothing more than a container, pipes, and some kind of filter media. I paid around $100 in parts to put together two 55-gallon barrels, and the parts will never wear out. You have the advantage of using whatever container works well with your landscaping, you don't have to worry about the pipe size matching your pumps, and you are free to try different types of media without investing a lot of money.

As long as your pipes don't break, the only component you should ever need to replace is the pump, and you won't even need to stick with a specific brand or model, so its easy to grab whatever the best value is at the time. With an all-in-one unit, you will be forever locked in to a specific model, and if you decide to change the flow rate of your pump, you may not have any options.

Essentially, building your own filter means you have to invest some extra work to begin with, but then you will have very little maintenance work and very low repair costs.

 

[sissy]

A cute pot would make great filter and all the new fiber glass ones are great looking to and putting plants in them will hide what you are using it for .The fiber glass barrels look great .I use just those small filters but like I said I have no fish in the stock tanks and there are tadpoles in there from visiting frogs .You can try the in pond filter and if it does not work you can go from there .But you can check on JW on here as I think she still uses an in pond filter in a bucket with good success .You can up grade as money permits .I know it is not really hard to upgrade and there are lots of video's on you tube of all kinds of filters .My new filter tank was 20 dollars for 3 of them ,I only needed one but thinking i may change my other filter to the new tank also .My neighbor put wave petunia's in her filter and now it looks like a huge mound of purple and white .Thinking of doing it too .My pumps have been all harbor freight ones and neighbor is using 2 of my them now and one is 6 years old and cost 22 dollars on sale and was 1250 gph and for some reason they don't sell it any more and the other one is 8 years old ,harbor freight also .You can also check out northern tool they sell sunterra pumps and stuff .I just look at how many watts the pump uses .

 

[HTH]

Lol come on... You do have a lot of good info but even I was put off by your first post.

Why ? We don't have crystal balls. People need to be sure they are up to the task as not everyone is. The desire to use preformed ponds and all in one pump/filters is a fair indication that their decision to get a pond may need to be examined. Examined does not mean abandoned! People who have been around ponds a while understand this.

There was no insult.

 

[Raelene]

Wow I did not see that coming! I did say "I could be wrong" but you choose to lash out just the same.

It was helpful advice. Some people don't have a clue as to what they are getting into. They enamored with the idea of having a pond but end up removing it within a year or two. Based on your questions you could have been one of these people.

All in one setups often equate to junk. Even if one bit of it is weak it make the entire setup bad.

I really appreciate all the advice that I am getting. I prefer to learn all I can ( before) I attemp
A new hobby. Going into something blind and ignorant is a recipe for disaster. I love all things living and would never take on a pet
Without committing myself entirely and permanently. You made a quick judgement that was unwarranted.

Thanks again everyone that has answered my original question, the advice has helped me a lot! Thank you

 

[HTH]

I really appreciate all the advice that I am getting. I prefer to learn all I can ( before) I attemp
A new hobby. Going into something blind and ignorant is a recipe for disaster. I love all things living and would never take on a pet
Without committing myself entirely and permanently. You made a quick judgement that was unwarranted.

Thanks again everyone that has answered my original question, the advice has helped me a lot! Thank you

We see a lot of the sort of equipment you are using or looking to buy at yard sales. The people selling the stuff found out they did not have the time or desire to put the time in.

I only asked you to examine your motivation to ensure that you would not end up like these people. Yet you and D are painting me as the bad guy here.