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Message: [QUOTE="GBBUDD, post: 488563, member: 10026"] I also ordered to small a liner originally and had to seam a very wrinkled and creased liner as it was already installed. so it was only about a 1/3rd and thought it seems it was not leaking once I started to rip it appart. It always bothered me. I did find plants that had sent roots into the lap caulk as some of those areas were pretty thick. So I have elevated the walls to 3 feet over the mafia blocks and now I have a respectable liner and I should be able to make a more suitable waterfall in the back. I'm always tinkering but that's the story I'm working with. skimmer [/QUOTE]