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Message: [QUOTE="CountryEscape, post: 206811, member: 3087"] Just checked the heater, and it opened a hole about 1' in diameter in 2 hours. Unplugged it for now. Will plug it in for couple of hours in the a.m. to open hole again, maybe the sun will keep that area open. I know the water trough for the horses had enough sunshine on it to melt the ice away from the edges. Just going to have to figure out something different with the koi pond bog this year (probably going to expand it dramatically) and get a larger pump pushing into it to keep it running freely. Then, maybe change the waterfall to more of a wrap around stream, keeping the water level lower and less likely to freeze up, but water running into that pond all winter. We shall see what I come up with. Will need pointers on how to add a liner to extend the pond, without replacing the whole liner, just adding larger bog. I'm leery of doing that, but thinking that is the answer to my problems. We shall see ...Come on Spring, only a few weeks away, and after week from Sunday, day light savings begins, so I'll really be ready for outside fun! [/QUOTE]