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Message: [QUOTE="capewind, post: 163815, member: 4510"] Aside from we had her driving one of our "extra" cars when she was first licensed, her grandmother took it upon herself to go car shopping, and bought a 2002 Jeep Liberty .. the first year of them, daddy didnt inspect it, MIL just wrote the check and bought it, and less then 2 months later, the frame went ... she got the money back (there was a recall), and then MIL gave her her car ... which is what she was still driving the night she was Tboned by a drubk driver ... No one was planning on her getting another car, and after daddys disapproval of the Jeep (never buy a Gen 1, let them get the bugs worked out first), and the problems it had (the bad frame was obvious if one looked), our daughter knew she BETTER have dad look at the next LOL. She could have spent a little less if she could have found a private party sale, but we were in a hurry to get her mobile again, and I dont feel that any 20 yr old should have a car loan... heck, I avoid them. Cash only, please and thank you LOL ... [/QUOTE]