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Message: [QUOTE="callingcolleen1, post: 118670, member: 4209"] I don't know about barley customers, but I still like peat extract better. Over the years the trees have grown, and with more trees, I have more caterpillers, and caterpillers dung will give you the same effect as concentrated peat or barley, lower the PH and darken the water. In my water garden book by Helen Nash and Steve Stroupe, they discuss the Long wood gardens in Pennsylvania and how they would use black water dyes to shade the water and prevent green water algae growth. this book is 14 years old or so [/QUOTE]