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Message: [QUOTE="callMeFishmeal, post: 197334, member: 6189"] Ok... I hope to pour concrete later this week. I was not able to have a bottom drain due to neighbor's foundation ... so I have a choice of either a side drain at the bottom that would be 1.5" pvc through the concrete and to a shut off valve on the other side. If I do this will i need to seal the pvc or wrap it in something ? Other alternative is no drain (a perfect concrete box) and to use the pump to drain it which will be submerged and piped out of the pond at the top (just under the tiles on the top of the concrete wall. Yet another is a retrofit drain (essentially another pump i assume). I guess the answer might depend on how often will you need to drain the pond (hopefully never). pond will be 3 feet deep and 7 X 2.5 and will have about 6-8 goldfish. I will use a submersible pump into a pressure filter next to the pond. Thanks! Steve [/QUOTE]