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Message: [QUOTE="milocat2012, post: 233806, member: 5291"] Thank you Dave, for some useful info. That Koi Clear gel sounds very interesting. Unfortunately i tried to look up at the web if it's available for sale anywhere in US, and couldn't find it. It's probably something new and only available for sale in UK. I don't even know if they would ship to US, i would guess not, as customs have lots of limitations on meds. But even if it was possible the cost of shipping from UK would be too much anyway. Maybe eventually it would come on sale here. So far any topical treatments for ulcers or antibiotic baths really didn't get any results. i normally used this: [URL]http://www.webbsonline.com/Category/Bio-Bandage[/URL] and this [URL]http://www.webbsonline.com/Category/Ulcer-Aid-Rx-Kit[/URL] for bath or just sprinkle the powder on the lesion. But always disinfect the ulcer the fist time just ones with potassium. I actually got rid of tail and fin rot in my big butterfly koi by just Unfortunately just doing topical treatment along never gave me good results. Maybe if i can ever get my hands on the stuff that you mentioned it could be better. I did use the injection of baytril on many fish before: i use 5% solution that already premixed for injections on animals. Usually some vet stores sell it. Like i mentioned before i was able to save that other fish from dropsy back in april with injections. However the case of dropsy in kuhaku wasn't as severe as in the fish that had it now. Unfortunately despite all my efforts, the dropsy killed him this morning. Poor fellow was so blown up, that he barely could move before he died. most fish that i gave the injections recovered really well, just couple of them didn't cope with it and eventually died. As for stress factor you mention, unfortunately i had plenty of it this season: it started with pretty harsh winter, then very weird cold spring for the second year in the row with big temperature swings, and then that toxic gas that my filter released that poison most of my fish and stressed out survivors. You're right about potassium treatment, i shouldn't have done it. It was just acting from desperation when evidently i had big parasite and ulcer problems, i followed the advice of somebody from our local koi farm to try and treat it with potassium Anyway it's in the past and i sure wouldn't do it again in the future. the other treatments that i did were necessary the terminate: [URL]http://www.webbsonline.com/Category/Koi-Rx-Terminate-For-Fungal-Parasitic-Control[/URL] and following prazi combinations, seemed to solve that parasitic problem in my pond, and i was very mild on the fish, they didn't show any stress during treatments, where acting and eating normally. Actually their appetite wasn't so great during the whole time that they show all the evidence of parasites present. Now that it seems to be solved they're eating like crazy, can't put enough food for them. Of course i try not to overfeed them. As for water changes i did so much of it this year after each treatment drained about 30%. and include the drain and refill of full 3200 gallons of contaminated water after that poison. Plus since the filter need to be backwashed i do it approximately every 5 days, plus vacuum the bottom with pond vac, so that means that pond has probably around 10% change every 5 days, also i lose a little water due to waterfall splash and evaporation, so sometime had to top it up every couple of days. So now i still have that other fish with multiple ulcers in the Q-tank, he's done with his injections, and ulcers look like healing, almost all turned white, so i'll put him back in the pond tomorrow. i tried to feed him medicated food, but he doesn't seem to want to eat, it's not unusual, as most fish really don't have to much appetite in smaller place as Q-tank. Thanks again for your advice. Kira [/QUOTE]

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