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Message: [QUOTE="Ruben Miranda, post: 148355, member: 5181"] Hello Well I have turttles also and know others have turtles and frogs so don't get worried. :razz: As for smiles and stuff it might have to do with permissons and depends on how many post you have before it allows. I am looking at your pic's for the bog (The first one) I am having troable understanding where the water runs back to the pond. Do's the water fill up and goes over the liner up over on the left where the rocks are. or Does it continue down around the curve and back in to the pond. I ask becuase If your liner that you want to add is big enough to go up under the water fall where the bog is getting filled and up and over that ledge on the left and still have enough to make your bog bigger then you would be better off then trying to seal a used piece of liner with a new liner. or it might be better to seal two new liner peices and going on top of the old and over that edge. Water is unlikly to back up in to a seam and it might be less work then trying to straighten the old out. I you understand what I am saying or thinking. Ruben :goldfish: [/QUOTE]