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Message: [QUOTE="sissy, post: 96042, member: 2982"] thats the main reason I could not give the proper info .I am not where it is really cold (well except for last winter ) I bought the kh one at pet mountain and figure 750 watts would be good and the I bought a timer that will only turn it on at night when the weather is the coldest .I know they burn a lot of electricity and I'm trying to conserve .My deicer was 30 dollars so I figured better safe than sorry .Before that I only used a pump in the pond to keep an opening and never had any problems with it .There are lots ideas people have used on here and guess some may work and some may not .Thats why I say always better to go deeper when you dig your pond and use the rule of thumb of a footing for like a deck or something similar .If they say a footing should be this deep do that with your pond and maybe go a little deeper . [/QUOTE]