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Message: [QUOTE="Dave 54, post: 286600, member: 5153"] Any soldier, Marine,Naval or Airman with Jersey_Marines views has no place in any armed service, he would have been very quickly kicked out as unfit to be any of the above as being ultra patriotic . As part of the military machine we are taught both to think as a unit but also are taught to think for ourselves where and when needed. But we are also taught to show compassion to our fellow man unless they are combatents. [it has to be so or otherwise attrocities will take place this is why the geneva convention was put in place ]. In the Navy we were taught an unbelievable 6 jobs only one of those involved killing Seamanship, Fire fighting flood control Nuclear Biological and Chemical control in my case my job as an anti submarine warfare specialist and lastly first aid for any combatent be he the enemy or civilian. We are not killing machines like the Nazis where compassion for your fellow man was lacking. Jerseys way of thinking was wrong in that he thought himself better than others there is no god given right to "might" that way is a slippery slope to destruction , All Empires eventually fall no matter how heavily armed they are in the end . As to him joining up on koiphen well I doubt hell last that long there either not with his views Dave [/QUOTE]