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Message: [QUOTE="Dave 54, post: 271983, member: 5153"] Yes you are indeed correct with your measurements John thats they way weve always done it in both the Aquatic world and the koi world here in the UK both F.B.A.S and B.K.K.S rulings are the same on this . Most blue benching bowls now come with the standardised B.K.K.S. measurements already attached . If they dont then all we do is ask the koi club to supply one at £1.50 UK and stick it to the bottom of your new bowl , it is then should it be called upon ready to measure any fish at the show should neeed be , which it never is so we use it to measure any fish we wish to show to give us an idea of what size it goes into one two or three[jombo sized. Others measure ome two three fou fivbe[jumbo sized it depebnds on the show and what rules your showing under be it Z.N.A, B.K.K S. A.K.C.A, F.B.A.S etc Dave [/QUOTE]