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Message: [QUOTE="EVMIII, post: 141371, member: 5063"] Thanks all for the input, here's what I'm thinking now: Pond will basically be kidney shaped (12x25x4) Bottom drain, skimmer external filter (tbd) to returns Skippy styled filter at on end, pump fed, gravity drained to water fall catch basin Other end will have a slightly raised bog ( maybe 4x6), pump fed, gravity return Hopefully this will be overly filtered for ease of mx. Thoughts? What am I missing? Thanks again. Getting excited, drained the pool last night, will cut in a few drains in the morning. Thanks Bud [/QUOTE]