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I have read and heard so many ways to feed fish from how many times a day and what amount to feed them a sitting. I have read "What they can consume in 5min" which to me is a little far fetched and also "Feed your fish 4 times a day" which seems like they would grow rapidly or more than I can afford right now :LOL: Here is a Video of how much I feed my fish @ 3 times a day, Is it too much? Is it too little for summer? Is it the right amount? Thanks for your advice :)
 
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You have to factor in things like the cost of food not just one type either .
wheatgerm is food for spring Groth food for late spring/summer along with health food and others going back to wheatgerm autumn/ winter and thats just your koi ....
Then we have alternate foods to also think about live/frozen/freezedried.


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I don't think florida weather really requires much wheat germ. Though I guess the fish would consider it a fine treat.

Jason, our summertime florida ponds have a lot more for the fish to eat for a lot longer part of the year than most of the country sees. I feed about that same amount once, sometimes twice a day and my fish are fat sassy and happy. And i think i have more fish. But they don't care for watermelon.
 

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I measure out a 1/4 cup of food and that is what they get every other day. My fish are all under 6 inches long (most are 3 inches). I make sure each fish gets a couple pellets each time I feed.

This way I can feed them as often as I like and my theory is the ammonia level won't spike too much since they are eating small portions often. I also have a lot of water plants (water lettuce, hyacinth, duck weed) that they nibble on along with the film that's growing on my pond walls. So far, they seem to be growing.

My Ammonia and Nitrite/Nitrate levels are well within normal limits.

I've tried feeding them peas, corn and chopped up fruit. They like it! But that's more of a snack item rather than a staple. I want to try some freeze dried shrimp and meal worms next but want them to get a little bigger first.

BTW, the pond looks great!
 
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Thanks for the input Guys and Gals! I guess Im doing fine with feeding, and I threw a worm in there last night and they did not know what to do except swim around it frantically :LOL: . 3 of the fish in that pond will be going into the rebuilt 400 gallon pond when it's cycled in about a month. Over the past 6 or 7 months this pond has been up, I am pleased with how clear the water is staying even after all the rain we just had, but I don't want to overfeed them and cause more waste for my filter to endure if it does not have to.

Thanks Tim Thompson, Its almost "complete" for now with a few rocks to fill in the sides (Right now the open sides act like a skipper and traps all surface debris in a certain spot lol) and a better cover for my Timer to hide it.
 

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Jason, I post quite frequently about the 5 minute rule. But my thing is, make sure all the food fed is eaten within five minutes. In my ponds I want all the food gone in under two minutes. From the video what your feeding is fine as long as your getting good water quality readings. To me that is the biggest key, you want to be able to keep the fish fed and healthy yet make sure the filter/water changes/maintance can handle what you feed. Your pond looks great! But with you having rocks in the bottom it's VERY important to check water quality often. I know you read on the forum quite frequently and have remarked about the rocks in the bottom, just always keep in mind that the rocks can and will trap waste. as long as you can keep that under control and your feeding like you are I see no problem in the amount of food your feeding. LOL, I was going to post a video of my heard feeding, but the battery on the camera went dead. I'll try and post a video a little later once the battery recharges. I think you'll get a kick out of seeing my heard feeding and how much they can eat in a single feeding.
 
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Thanks Larkin, I get my water checked at Petsmart once a month and has checked out fine so far, I will have to remember to keep the two strips they use and read the levels off to you all so you can tell me what I need to watch out for since the hardest thing for me is understanding the Nitrite and Nitrate system and PH balance along with water chemistry in general :banghead3: but I will get through it lol Thanks for all your and others help on here and YES I want to see a video of you Heard :beerchug:
 

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Jason, I used to keep tanks and ponds with minimal testing, similar to you I used the pet-store to test my water. I had a mentor that sat down and started explaining keeping water to me, his saying was, To keep fish successfully, you must first learn to keep water. As I have learned over the years by doing my own testing and reading to learn how to keep water I have been far more successful in my fish keeping. I also learned one major thing, If someone tells you your water is fine, they probably don't really know what they are testing and reading as well. They only know that the test kit they are using is reading that they are in the OK zone. Do you really want to put the trust in your pond into some ones hands that really doesn't know what they are testing? There are many people on this site that do understand water and how it works, and how to test and tell you what those readings REALLY mean. I recommend doing one of two things, Personally I would get my own kits and do my own testing, BUT, if money is tight, at least get the store to test and write down the results and post them for one of us to look at and tell you what those readings mean. Since I have a little free time on my hands I would like to go a little further on this, Not only for you but for anyone else that doesn't test to go by.

Tests that I feel are essential to get done or have.

Ammonia, Nitrite, nitrate, KH, GH, PH and temperature.

So now that we know what to test what should these readings be in an established pond.

Ammonia should read 0 anything more than that and there is more waste being produced than the bacteria can break down, VERY DANGEROUS!

Nitrite should read 0 anything more means the ammonia is being broken down and there was a spike in ammonia in the last few days, Suspect over feeding, or a fish or other animal died in the pond. Not as dangerous but anything more than a 10ppmm reading really needs to seriously be looked at as finding out why!

Nitrate should read as low as possible, But a low reading means that the BIO in the filtration is keeping up with the waste being produced. If kept below 20ppm then it is really no harm to fish, and can be kept under control with plants and water changes, actually most koi and goldfish can live in nitrates as high as 60ppm but this extreme is NOT recommended.

KH, you really want to keep KH between 80ppm and 200ppm, This helps keep PH stable. Lower than 50ppm can cause extreme PH swings from day to night. I try and keep my ponds between 80-140ppm for my pond.

GH, this is the general hardness in a pond or water source. Knowing what it is out of the tap and watching to make sure it stays stable is the most important part of keeping Koi and Goldfish. Not critical in most ponds but it is critical for fish like discus or tetras in aquariums as they need low GH or African cichlids which need Hard water or high GH.

PH. In a pond stability is what's most important. Koi and Goldfish can handle PH of below 7.0 to 9.0, but the best reading is between 7.8-8.4, This is why KH is so important. If the KH is kept in the correct range the PH will stabilize in this range and will not move more than a few tenth's in a 24 hour period.

Temperature, Why do I Include this? They can't test it at Pet shop because it changes from the time you collect the water to the time you get it to the store. You have to check this at home, This is the first test most of us learn to test when it comes to pond keeping, why is it first? because it's the easiest to read and the cheapest test to buy. Why is so important? We can't control the temp, nature does and the pond is outdoors. BUT we can figure out when to feed, and how much, and what to feed when. In keeping Koi or high stocking rates this is extremely important, We never want to feed a pond when the water is below 50 degrees, Bio can't keep up with the waste. What about high temps? feeding when water is above 80 degrees increases the chance for oxygen depletion. above 90 and it's virtually uncontrollable to do large water changes if a problem occurs due to the fact that you will probably shock the fish from temperature changes in order to keep enough oxygen in the water to keep ammonia under control. Bio conversion does not break waste down as effectively from the lack of oxygen.

Of course there is more to keeping water, and fine tuning what you want or need in your particular pond. Koi keepers need to make finer tuning in their ponds in order to keep certain colors from fading. Such as adjusting hardness can effect certain colors in koi as well. Plants help remove nitrates, but noone has a formula to tell how many plants it takes to remove a particular amount of nitrates, so testing is important so you know when the plants can't keep up and when water changes are needed to help control. Learning the basics of water keeping and how and what to test for can REALLY help anyone that is serious about keeping their fish healthy. It also doesn't have to be expensive. You can pick up most of the test kits for around $10 each, or you can get a Master kit and the KH for about $40-$50 and that will last you close to a year maybe longer. What is water testing and keeping your fish healthy worth? For me that less than what it could cost me to replace 1 fish I own 60 valued at more than that, I had to take water testing more serious, I hope anyone that reads this post considers about how important and why testing is so important to take the time to learn and do.
 
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WOW, Thanks Larkin, I will get my water tested tomorrow and read you the Readings! I will also look into buying a water thermometer as right now I just use a Temp Gun that bounces off of surfaces to tell me the temp. My PH last time was 8.1 and the guy at petsmart said that was fine but was the only thing thats was even a little out of "Perfect" according to him lol The food I use is Tetra Pond sticks (Bag) but the way my fish keep eating and soon to have another Pond with 3 fish moved to it and 2 Shubunkins I might be buying the big 5 gallon buckets they sell at Lowes, and is that a good brand of food? I have a lot to learn and have already learned the basics as far as Building the pond for future proof, How to acclimate fish, Benifits of UV and Bio filters, etc. But it looks like the water itself is the real trick to a healthy flourishing pond! :)
 

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Jason, temp gun is fine, that's what I use too, they are plenty accurate enough for what we need to know. They are usually accurate within a degree even when you shoot several locations in the pond. I shoot at the deepest spot in the pond and usually both ponds read with a degree or two difference at the most. Food, May I suggest looking into Dr. Foster and Smith online. They sell their own food, It's ingredients blow Tetra and common sold foods you find at chain stores away, and if you buy the large sizes and spend over $49 they ship for free. They sell even better brands but Their own brand isn't bad and for the cost, well worth the $$. BTW, they sell test kits for less than Petsmart too! Oh and as far as your 8.1 PH, Your person checking your water is a idiot if he says it's to low or to high. I would be willing to bet more than 90% of the more experienced pond keepers on this forum that do actually test their water and do their own adjustment would say they keep their ponds within a tenth or so of that reading. Mine is 8.2 and stable, that's perfectly fine with me. If you adjust your KH by baking soda, that's pretty much what your going to read.
 

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