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Message: [QUOTE="addy1, post: 201097, member: 2547"] I was thinking try a outside of the pond plant filter, I think they really help. A few here have used planters, run water in, through plants then back into the pond. I am going to try it on my deck pond which fights algae, it really has minimal filtering, only gets fresh water when the water runs through it on a timer and down the stream. It does end up with fish, I think eggs somehow get sucked up via the pump and end up living in the pond. I move them out for the winter, it is a shallow pond that can totally freeze up [/QUOTE]