Gill flukes -- treatments, concerns? Microscope success, part 2

[Mmathis]

I just posted regarding success with the microscope.......

https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/good-news-microscope-success-bad-news.16726/

1. What is the treatment and procedure for eliminating gill flukes?
2. Does the treatment do any harm to the biological filter?
3. OMG! Now I'll need to check and see if the recommended treatment will be harmful to the box turtles, since they share the same water source!!!! Reptiles are particular in what they can/can't be treated with.
4. Before I proced with a treatment plan, should I pull another healthy fish or 2 and do scrapings on them? Or does one just assume that if a fish that died, that had flukes in its gills, then chances are the entire pond is in danger?
5. I'll also have to treat my inside tank -- I put the sick fish in the tank my 2 little fantails that are in QT.
6. Oh, and [big AND] I took a water lily from the pond and placed it inside the outdoor QT with my 2 new Watonai -- so guessing that will need treatment, as well.....?

Just starting my 4th season with the pond, and first time to have to treat for anything.

@Dave 54 @fishin4cars

 

[Meyer Jordan]

Absolutely no question.....Praziquantel is THE fluke medication. It is also the best medication for treating flukes on turtles, so that should allay your fears.

 

[Mmathis]

Absolutely no question.....Praziquantel is THE fluke medication. It is also the best medication for treating flukes on turtles, so that should allay your fears.

It does make me feel better, yes! Is it readily available and how do you dose with it [since I'll be doing a pond and a 20 gal tank]?

And back to one of my original questions -- do I need to scrape a couple more fish before I start Tx, or just go ahead with Tx?

 

[Meyer Jordan]

Praziquantel dosing-

http://koivet.com/a_praziquantel_koi_flukes_treatment.html

You already know that flukes are present. No need to take any additional scrapings.

 

[Mmathis]

Praziquantel dosing-

http://koivet.com/a_praziquantel_koi_flukes_treatment.html

You already know that flukes are present. No need to take any additional scrapings.

Thanks!

 

[Priscilla]

My question would be, where they come from??? Kind of scary!

 

[Meyer Jordan]

My question would be, where they come from??? Kind of scary!

Birds, Domestic animals, Wildlife...primarily found in feces.

 

[Dave 54]

Cant really help you this time Maggie as I dont live in the US and dont know what treatments you have over there .
Meyer can more than probably point you in the right direction , so you have flukes eh question both move towards the gill area which one do you have Gyrodactylus or skin fluke or Dacttlogyrus or body fluke as they are both very similar in their shape etc

 

[Dave 54]

I just posted regarding success with the microscope.......

https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/good-news-microscope-success-bad-news.16726/

1. What is the treatment and procedure for eliminating gill flukes?
2. Does the treatment do any harm to the biological filter?
3. OMG! Now I'll need to check and see if the recommended treatment will be harmful to the box turtles, since they share the same water source!!!! Reptiles are particular in what they can/can't be treated with.
4. Before I proced with a treatment plan, should I pull another healthy fish or 2 and do scrapings on them? Or does one just assume that if a fish that died, that had flukes in its gills, then chances are the entire pond is in danger?
5. I'll also have to treat my inside tank -- I put the sick fish in the tank my 2 little fantails that are in QT.
6. Oh, and [big AND] I took a water lily from the pond and placed it inside the outdoor QT with my 2 new Watonai -- so guessing that will need treatment, as well.....?

Just starting my 4th season with the pond, and first time to have to treat for anything.

@Dave 54 @fishin4cars

Hi Maggie I would say well done girl but flukes are not nice things to have in a pond , howerver before we start which fluke do you have "that is the question", do you have
a)Gyrodactylus. or (skin flukes).....
b)Dactylogyrus.or (Flukes).... the problem being is that they both gravitate towards the gills .
Wh looked at under the slide both flukes seem to move by a process of Contraction and expansion , you'll also note that when a fish is infected with skin flukes then alot of mucus is produced if the infection becomes severe then secondary infections such as fungus or bacterial will arise .
If you find gill flukes aree your problem then then the gills will show signs of infection , this can be charecterised by a disculoration of the gills and the large amount of mucus causing the gill filaments to stick together .
I'm not from the US and would suggest a differing treatment to others in the US so I will agree 100% with Meyers diagnoses as to what to use in the use of Praziquantel

Dave

 

[Mmathis]

@Priscilla, me too! Geesh! I call myself keeping my water in good shape, but.....

@Dave 54 and @Meyer Jordan Thank you!

Meyer, I, too, looked up as much as I could regarding box turtles and Prazi. I lucked out with this one, and I'm just glad I even thought to consider the turts! So, that will always have to be something for me to consider for any future treatment issues with the pond.

 

[Dave 54]

Yes you must always check up on any other creatures living in your pond , how many times I've heard of someone loosing an Orfe is untrue simply because the person forgot that certain treatments and orfe dont do well together, so check first that Prazi wont harm Box turtles

Dave

 

[Dave 54]

Just ran a check for you Maggie it seems that Prazi can be used to treat internal parasites in turtles :-

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=17+1797&aid=942

Hope this puts your mind at rest a little ?

Dave

 

[Riftlake]

Here is a source for Prazi. You might want to shop around though.... http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?medications&1430181634

 

[Meyer Jordan]

A little more info from a true expert.
http://www.koisale.com/skin-gill-flukes.html

 

[Dave 54]

A little more info from a true expert.
http://www.koisale.com/skin-gill-flukes.html

Well its a little more informative than weve all said but we are singing from the same hym sheet
Though Meyer
Dave