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Message: [QUOTE="Dave 54, post: 185977, member: 5153"] I have to agree totally with waterbug on this one he is indeed correct in what he is saying. We go in for differing foos at different times of the year. NTLabs is a perfect example of this , wheatgerm and Garlic from the start and finish of the year Health then Beauty taking us into the showing Months of July, August reverting back to wheatgerm and Garlic at the end of the season, each with differing additives prebiotics etc. Hikari is another food producer that does the same. A koi may see up to its full lifespan of 80years on these foods Cheaper foods are great as watherbug says for giving your koi a big belly but you have to ask did it really do them any good ? Why because if you had one die and you opened that fish up for autopy you'd find that the huge layer of fat which envelopes your koi's organs and which is created by these foods over a long period of time.This fat layer is responsable for that swelling. As well as that it had done your koi no good. Any alternative foods must be given as treats (which we listed in another thread),however my pet hate is cherios..... Please dont feed cherios as some people do "thinking that its a good healthy option", as it does your fish the square route of nothing apart from filling the belly its for humans not for fish of any species.... rgrds Dave [/QUOTE]