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Message: [QUOTE="Telion, post: 372270, member: 10131"] The boulders that rim the pond are dug into place so the are larger than they appear but sit further back than they look. Now the other shelves I too think they are narrow but given that there were not any in the initial design (well one I think) I am proud of the work my wife did to great them. And I rilled the other boulders up the hill one boulder at a time with old fashioned will power lol still 2 or 3 to go and one large piece of flag stone for the initial fall. I do still debate the need for a cemented ring around the pond but I guess I will learn that the hard way if need be. As for your pond it seems like you and I are in that gieco commercial where you always get 10 times more out of each day lol its motivating though. [/QUOTE]