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Message: [QUOTE="joesandy1822, post: 172120, member: 2690"] This should be simple, but I am second guessing myself. Long day. If I am considering purchasing a "pond kit" for a pond 16x21, and the included liner is only 20x25, to me that is not going to be large enough for a truly 16x21 hole if I am making the pond 3' deep in some areas and want a waterfall. All those things take more liner. So my question I guess is that if I get the kit that comes with a 20x25 liner, how can I figure how deep to dig my hole? I know it is simple math. I'd like to start digging while I wait for the kit to get to me, but I need to get this down first, obviously. I would take the length plus average (?) depth x2 and add a couple feet for overhang, correct (for length). And do the same for the width? How much do you have to add for the waterfall if it is only going to be about 2' tall? I know I am making this harder than it has to be, but..... Thanks for not screaming, Sandy [/QUOTE]