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Message: [QUOTE="Fishfinder, post: 331198, member: 7200"] OK, I have a question - I have read of people shutting down waterfalls in the fall and the fish have been fine in the spring. Maybe because the catfish is a bottom dweller, it did not get much oxygen and died. If the lack of air did kill him, it took a while to do it. The wimpy little stones I bought in the fall have died. I just noticed yesterday. I forgot they were even there. The koi are still no where to be seen. I had a dream they did appear again, but when I was out there yesterday, none to be found. I shut the waterfalls down in the first place at the advice of the pond builder because the bloody pond keep leaking. He cannot find the source of the leak. He said we would figure out what to be done in the spring. I can't keep pour money into this watery money pit. Who has liner under their waterfalls? I have the worse luck with this pond and with pondbuilders. Do [I]any[/I] of them know what they are doing?! :banghead: [/QUOTE]