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Message: [QUOTE="Shdwdrgn, post: 95620, member: 672"] Yeah but both of you are even further South than I am! Brandonsdad02 is far enough North that the freeze line can get down to the 18" mark without some kind of heater. ANY kind of heater will make a big difference, even a smaller floating-style de-icer. That extra heat, trapped under the ice and combined with the constantly flowing water, may be just the combination needed to keep your pond going all Winter. Obviously you need to keep an air-hole in the ice at all times, and this gives you a point to monitor the condition of the water throughout the Winter. As long as the ice doesn't get more than a few inches thick, you are fine. [/QUOTE]