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Message: [QUOTE="SE18, post: 91730, member: 3299"] thanks; I just finished reading the entire thread and I think your effort will result in some converts to bogs. I particularly found the link: [url="http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/archives/parsons/flowers/lily2.html"]http://aggie-horticu...wers/lily2.html[/url] to be useful. I used to have all sun but as you are aware, it gets extremely HOT in the south side of houses in our area in summer and I needed shade trees so I planted oaks, cherry and maples about 10 years ago and now they are probably 30 feet tall! The creeping jenny seem to be ok in sun as well as shade, but I'll try in the future to get some other shade lovers, maybe iris for starters. I'm including an aerial view of my bog taken from the deck. The bog is centermast in the picture, covered with creeping jenny (the dry bog). It actually is made from concrete with some cracks in it and is about 6 inches deep and about 3x4'. The other water is the canal and aqueduct, the left side of the photo shows the concrete aqueduct with no water in it b/c it is still under construction and in another month should complete the large loop. It will feature canal boats running in a complete circle. I'm actually torn between operating the boats or filling the aqueduct with plants. It might be hard to see but in the lower right you can see a spigot with water falling from the aqueduct to the canal. I may run some PVC from there to the bog. Cheers DaveV [/QUOTE]