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Message: [QUOTE="NCDave, post: 398846, member: 10929"] I've had both koi and shibunken, but pond only has one shibunken, and 3 koi (other than the tiny tots). Its possible I was sold a pair of something that isn't koi, the only pair in the pond are black/orange/white and about 10-12" long, purchased about 2 years ago at 6". If koi grow 10" first year, then apparently I've got something else. They're certainly colorful, sure look like koi .[IMG]https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao2Ixkf0saty_CVAMkpI1zFth2GS[/IMG] not sure how to display photo, so here's link to photo of parent fish.... [URL]https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao2Ixkf0saty_CVAMkpI1zFth2GS[/URL] [/QUOTE]